myrmepropagandistAug 16, 2023

If the idea of violent protests don't make you at least little scared I wonder how well you know history. At the same time, real change almost never happens without people putting their bodies on the line.

The right understands this far better than your average liberal/moderate. To be a moderate is to trust that existing systems will (mostly) work.

If those systems fail? What then? To even consider this is moderate treason.

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Mattie Lubchansky is the Associate Editor of the Nib and a cartoonist and illustrator living in Queens, NY. Their work has appeared in New York Magazine, VICE, Eater, Mad Magazine, Gothamist, The Toast, The Hairpin, Brooklyn Magazine, and their long-running webcomic Please Listen to Me. They are the co-author of Dad Magazine (Quirk, 2016) and the author of the Antifa Supersoldier Cookbook (Silver Sprocket, 2021).

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Show threadmyrmepropagandistAug 16, 2023

It's *not* a good thing that one side has all the guns.

I saw a photo a few days ago. I think it was titled. "Vermont politics" -- in it a scruffy cheerful white man held a gun and a sign. The sign said something like "Respect my trans daughter and my right to bear arms!" (did anyone else see this?)

Some people were annoyed at the guy for being so into guns. I could only think how glad I was for his daughter that he had one.

Show threadbrocolie (tots not a vampire)

@futurebird This is completely absurd.

That daughter is more at risk due to guns being in her household, than any chance of their presence ever protecting her.

Aug 16, 2023 at 12:48pmWeb
Show threadmyrmepropagandistAug 16, 2023

@brocolie

Maybe.

Show threadapophisAug 16, 2023
@futurebird @brocolie fwiw every reply i've faved on this thread i did so in agreement

especially the ones that directly contradict each other
Show threadapophisAug 16, 2023
@futurebird @brocolie an armed insurrection by the left is a complete fucking joke no matter how you look at it

but on an individual level we're dealing with homicidal creeps - *privileged* homicidal creeps - who very likely do not have the integrity or fortitude or incentive to commit if faced with a target that they know or believe can shoot back
Show threadchidi_anagonyeAug 16, 2023

@brocolie @futurebird

Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps they have a few known enemies. I don't own weapons because of a Nazi in the bushes, burglars, etc. I own them because anyone can make an enemy that wants to do them harm out of no fault of their own. Think suing somebody because they were drunk and injured you in a wreck. You went on a date with someone with an abusive and jealous ex. Your better business drove their crappy business out of business.

Show threadbrocolie (tots not a vampire)Aug 17, 2023

@chidi_anagonye @futurebird and why is it natural for you to seek to own a gun for those reasons?

those happen everywhere, but people don't just jump to "I need to be able to kill people at the pull of a trigger" because of them

much less just the hypothetical that it *could* happen to anyone, and isn't even happening

Show threadchidi_anagonyeAug 17, 2023

@brocolie @futurebird

In my case, it hasn't always been hypothetical. I'm not going to dox myself with details, but it involved a jealous ex with a violent criminal record situation.

I'm not saying guns should be a free for all with no restrictions or gun violence isn't a problem, but things aren't black and white. Saying owning guns is good or bad in the situation that prompted this discussion isn't something anybody here can do because we don't know the details.