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YoBuckStopsHere Aug 14, 2023

Mega Thread: Trump Fourth Indictment and co conspirators into the 2020 Georgia Election Investigation (Pending Indictment)

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Mega Thread: Trump Fourth Indictment and co conspirators into the 2020 Georgia Election Investigation (Pending Indictment) - Lemmy.world

Donald J. Trump is faces 39 felony counts in the State of Georgia regarding Trump and his allies illegally seeking to overturn the state’s election results. If Trump is charged it will mark his fourth Indictment in five months and the second to arise from his efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 presidential election. Sources:

Fuzzlightyear Aug 15, 2023

The right to vote is sacred, our elections are sacred. People have thrown themselves against overwhelming force to have this right, they’ve bled for it, they’ve died for it, they’ve killed for it.

This is not a part of the game. This is not just politics. If you fuck with our vote, you will get fucked back, one way or another.

Clbull Aug 15, 2023

Correction: Democrats will fuck him back. I don’t think a single Republican is willing to even believe any of these indictments are legit.

Watch as DeSantis gets elected, pardons Trump and turns America Fascist.

Billiam Aug 15, 2023

Fun fact: despite all the media noise and bluster, DeSantis is not popular among Republicans.

He is polling around 14% for the primaries. That’s lower than ROFL Kennedy, who is polling at 15.2% among Democrats. If you think Republican-in-sheep’s-clothing Kennedy is extremely unlikely to win, you should also think the same thing about Meatball McPuddingFingers.

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rambaroo Aug 15, 2023

Hired the fuck is Kennedy at 15%?

It’s just name recognition mixed with being the only non-Biden candidate getting any airtime. It’s far weaker than DeSantis in reality because DeSantis voters could pick anyone further right or further left or more Institutional or less, more like Trump or less.

RFK Jr supporters include anyone who refuses to vote for someone older than 75, but if the race is Biden v Trump again they don’t have a younger-than-75 option.

RaoulDook Aug 15, 2023

Fortunately there are 3rd parties for those who want to vote for none of the above pieces of shit.

Billiam Aug 15, 2023

Fortunately there are 3rd parties for those who want to vote for none of the above pieces of shit. throw their votes away.

It’s been proven that voting for a third party only helps the major candidate least-aligned with your values. Until we do away with first-past-the-post and winner-take-all, it’s foolish to even suggest third party. Yes it sucks, but that’s the reality.

RaoulDook Aug 15, 2023

I don’t care, my vote counts for jack shit anyway so I will always vote for the best candidate, which is never a member of the 2 parties in control. My vote is mine only, and I use it as I see fit.

Do you think that every voter whose chosen candidate doesn’t end up winning has “thrown away” their vote? Does it only count to vote if you pick the winner?

Billiam Aug 15, 2023

I don’t care, my vote counts for jack shit anyway so I will always vote for the best candidate, which is never a member of the 2 parties in control. My vote is mine only, and I use it as I see fit.

Every vote matters. You know that New York lost a bunch of seats to the GOP because everyone assumed they were Dem shoe-ins, right?

Do you think that every voter whose chosen candidate doesn’t end up winning has “thrown away” their vote? Does it only count to vote if you pick the winner?

No, just the voters who refuse to acknowledge there is a candidate from party A who is closer to their values, and a candidate from party B who is further from their values, and candidates C-Z who don’t fucking matter and that any vote for them only helps candidate B win. It would be nice to live where we could vote for a candidate we like, instead of strategically voting against who we don’t, but we don’t.

RaoulDook Aug 15, 2023

Yeah I’ve heard all that before, and none of it refutes the fact that my vote is still mine to choose my preferred candidate with. I don’t vote for the corporate oligarchs in control, period.

Your mistake is assuming that my vote “rightfully belongs” to your preferred party or something along those lines. It does not.

Asafum Aug 15, 2023

Nobody is saying your vote belongs to the party.

Just to make everyone’s argument really simple: There are 100 votes. You like apples and hate bananas.

Candidate A supports apples and are corpo shills. (Democrats) 49 Democrats vote for A

Candidate B wants to outlaw apples, supports only having bananas and are corporate shills. (Republicans) 50 Republicans vote.

Candidate C-Z don’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning (see the vote totals) but they support apples and aren’t corpo shills.

You like apples and so do people voting for A, but you don’t like corpo shills (neither do any of us) but since you insist on voting for candidate C-Z Candidate B wins which means you not only don’t get your apples, but you also get the corporate shills you didn’t want to begin with.

BrandoGilnsfw Aug 15, 2023

It’s absolutely yours. I think you’re just frustrated that the people around you won’t let you play pretend. If you’re vote actively harms the views you claim to stand for, your views are flimsy and people see right through you.

BrandoGil Aug 15, 2023

It’s absolutely yours. I think you’re just frustrated that the people around you won’t let you play pretend. If you’re vote actively harms the views you claim to stand for, your views are flimsy and people see right through you.

RaoulDook Aug 15, 2023

Well you can call it whatever you want, but you’re not going to talk me into voting for any [D] or [R] pieces of shit anyway. Both parties want to infringe my rights and I will continue to vote against them both. My vote stands for my principles, regardless of anyone’s opinion.

BrandoGil Aug 15, 2023

Voltaire would roll in his grave over those gymnastics. They both want to take your rights? Man a statement that loaded absolutely deserves explanation. But you say “continue to vote against them” so it’s plain to see that you’ve never been much of an agent of change, just whining so I’ll let this pass.

RaoulDook Aug 15, 2023

Yeah OK then I guess I’ll let you pass on along too so you can continue to be a sheep following the herd as your brain has been programmed to do.

I really have to laugh at people like you who think that voting makes you “an agent of change” LOL - whoooeee your tiny thousandth of a percent of change in the final tally of votes made such a spash

TwoGems Aug 15, 2023

Yeah your logic is naive unfortunately. Michigan won and other places won because every vote mattered and they enshrined abortion and many progressive policies passed and are getting better daily. Voting for a random third party actually does just throw your vote away. It’s also a vote for Republicans who are the current fascist party. “Rage voting” actually just hurts you too. It just accelerates us faster into a dictatorship.

Jordan Lund Aug 15, 2023

Actually, if they live in an over-vote state (red or blue, doesn’t matter), their vote literally does not count.

You need 50%+1 to win an election.

So look at California 2020:

Biden: 11,110,250
Trump: 6,006,429

17,116,679 votes cast. Biden needed 8,558,341 to win.

2,551,909 Biden votes literally didn’t count. He already won. They could have voted for Mickey Mouse and Biden would have still won.

Invert it, same for Texas, but much closer:

Trump: 5,890,347
Biden: 5,259,126

11,149,473 votes cast,

5,574,737 needed to win. 315,610 Trump votes didn’t mean anything. Just As long as they didn’t vote for Biden, it didn’t matter who they voted for.

SCB Aug 15, 2023

pieces of shit

You’re delusional if you think any but the most fringe of voters thinks of Biden as a “piece of shit” lol

RaoulDook Aug 15, 2023

I’m pretty sure we could easily find several million Americans with that same opinion. You’re delusional if you don’t realize that, or possibly just ignorant of the numbers.