YoBuckStopsHereAug 14, 2023

Mega Thread: Trump Fourth Indictment and co conspirators into the 2020 Georgia Election Investigation (Pending Indictment)

https://lemmy.world/post/3197160

Mega Thread: Trump Fourth Indictment and co conspirators into the 2020 Georgia Election Investigation (Pending Indictment) - Lemmy.world

Donald J. Trump is faces 39 felony counts in the State of Georgia regarding Trump and his allies illegally seeking to overturn the state’s election results. If Trump is charged it will mark his fourth Indictment in five months and the second to arise from his efforts to overturn his loss in the 2020 presidential election. Sources:

Show threadFuzzlightyearAug 15, 2023

The right to vote is sacred, our elections are sacred. People have thrown themselves against overwhelming force to have this right, they’ve bled for it, they’ve died for it, they’ve killed for it.

This is not a part of the game. This is not just politics. If you fuck with our vote, you will get fucked back, one way or another.

Show threadClbull

Correction: Democrats will fuck him back. I don’t think a single Republican is willing to even believe any of these indictments are legit.

Watch as DeSantis gets elected, pardons Trump and turns America Fascist.

Aug 15, 2023 at 7:24amWeb
Show threadJimbob0i0Aug 15, 2023
At least for these charges the ability to pardon is limited. The governor doesn’t have that power.
Show threadGreenBottlesAug 15, 2023
the Santa’s ain’t going to win shit
Show threadOderusAug 15, 2023
This is a key takeaway and I love it.
Show threadUncle_BagelAug 16, 2023
Can’t even be pardoned by the governor in Georgia. There is a pardoning committee.
Show threadBilliamAug 15, 2023

Fun fact: despite all the media noise and bluster, DeSantis is not popular among Republicans.

He is polling around 14% for the primaries. That’s lower than ROFL Kennedy, who is polling at 15.2% among Democrats. If you think Republican-in-sheep’s-clothing Kennedy is extremely unlikely to win, you should also think the same thing about Meatball McPuddingFingers.

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Show threadrambarooAug 15, 2023
Hired the fuck is Kennedy at 15%?
Show threadReallyActuallyFrankensteinAug 15, 2023
Low information name recognition.
Show threadOldWoodFrameAug 15, 2023

It’s just name recognition mixed with being the only non-Biden candidate getting any airtime. It’s far weaker than DeSantis in reality because DeSantis voters could pick anyone further right or further left or more Institutional or less, more like Trump or less.

RFK Jr supporters include anyone who refuses to vote for someone older than 75, but if the race is Biden v Trump again they don’t have a younger-than-75 option.

Show threadRaoulDookAug 15, 2023
Fortunately there are 3rd parties for those who want to vote for none of the above pieces of shit.
Show threadBilliamAug 15, 2023

Fortunately there are 3rd parties for those who want to vote for none of the above pieces of shit. throw their votes away.

It’s been proven that voting for a third party only helps the major candidate least-aligned with your values. Until we do away with first-past-the-post and winner-take-all, it’s foolish to even suggest third party. Yes it sucks, but that’s the reality.

Show threadRaoulDookAug 15, 2023

I don’t care, my vote counts for jack shit anyway so I will always vote for the best candidate, which is never a member of the 2 parties in control. My vote is mine only, and I use it as I see fit.

Do you think that every voter whose chosen candidate doesn’t end up winning has “thrown away” their vote? Does it only count to vote if you pick the winner?

Show threadBilliamAug 15, 2023

I don’t care, my vote counts for jack shit anyway so I will always vote for the best candidate, which is never a member of the 2 parties in control. My vote is mine only, and I use it as I see fit.

Every vote matters. You know that New York lost a bunch of seats to the GOP because everyone assumed they were Dem shoe-ins, right?

Do you think that every voter whose chosen candidate doesn’t end up winning has “thrown away” their vote? Does it only count to vote if you pick the winner?

No, just the voters who refuse to acknowledge there is a candidate from party A who is closer to their values, and a candidate from party B who is further from their values, and candidates C-Z who don’t fucking matter and that any vote for them only helps candidate B win. It would be nice to live where we could vote for a candidate we like, instead of strategically voting against who we don’t, but we don’t.

Show threadRaoulDookAug 15, 2023

Yeah I’ve heard all that before, and none of it refutes the fact that my vote is still mine to choose my preferred candidate with. I don’t vote for the corporate oligarchs in control, period.

Your mistake is assuming that my vote “rightfully belongs” to your preferred party or something along those lines. It does not.

Show threadAsafumAug 15, 2023

Nobody is saying your vote belongs to the party.

Just to make everyone’s argument really simple: There are 100 votes. You like apples and hate bananas.

Candidate A supports apples and are corpo shills. (Democrats) 49 Democrats vote for A

Candidate B wants to outlaw apples, supports only having bananas and are corporate shills. (Republicans) 50 Republicans vote.

Candidate C-Z don’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning (see the vote totals) but they support apples and aren’t corpo shills.

You like apples and so do people voting for A, but you don’t like corpo shills (neither do any of us) but since you insist on voting for candidate C-Z Candidate B wins which means you not only don’t get your apples, but you also get the corporate shills you didn’t want to begin with.

Show threadBrandoGilnsfwAug 15, 2023
It’s absolutely yours. I think you’re just frustrated that the people around you won’t let you play pretend. If you’re vote actively harms the views you claim to stand for, your views are flimsy and people see right through you.
Show threadBrandoGilAug 15, 2023
It’s absolutely yours. I think you’re just frustrated that the people around you won’t let you play pretend. If you’re vote actively harms the views you claim to stand for, your views are flimsy and people see right through you.
Show threadRaoulDookAug 15, 2023
Well you can call it whatever you want, but you’re not going to talk me into voting for any [D] or [R] pieces of shit anyway. Both parties want to infringe my rights and I will continue to vote against them both. My vote stands for my principles, regardless of anyone’s opinion.
Show threadBrandoGilAug 15, 2023
Voltaire would roll in his grave over those gymnastics. They both want to take your rights? Man a statement that loaded absolutely deserves explanation. But you say “continue to vote against them” so it’s plain to see that you’ve never been much of an agent of change, just whining so I’ll let this pass.
Show threadRaoulDookAug 15, 2023

Yeah OK then I guess I’ll let you pass on along too so you can continue to be a sheep following the herd as your brain has been programmed to do.

I really have to laugh at people like you who think that voting makes you “an agent of change” LOL - whoooeee your tiny thousandth of a percent of change in the final tally of votes made such a spash

Show threadTwoGemsAug 15, 2023
Yeah your logic is naive unfortunately. Michigan won and other places won because every vote mattered and they enshrined abortion and many progressive policies passed and are getting better daily. Voting for a random third party actually does just throw your vote away. It’s also a vote for Republicans who are the current fascist party. “Rage voting” actually just hurts you too. It just accelerates us faster into a dictatorship.
Show threadJordan LundAug 15, 2023

Actually, if they live in an over-vote state (red or blue, doesn’t matter), their vote literally does not count.

You need 50%+1 to win an election.

So look at California 2020:

Biden: 11,110,250
Trump: 6,006,429

17,116,679 votes cast. Biden needed 8,558,341 to win.

2,551,909 Biden votes literally didn’t count. He already won. They could have voted for Mickey Mouse and Biden would have still won.

Invert it, same for Texas, but much closer:

Trump: 5,890,347
Biden: 5,259,126

11,149,473 votes cast,

5,574,737 needed to win. 315,610 Trump votes didn’t mean anything. Just As long as they didn’t vote for Biden, it didn’t matter who they voted for.

Show threadSCBAug 15, 2023

pieces of shit

You’re delusional if you think any but the most fringe of voters thinks of Biden as a “piece of shit” lol

Show threadRaoulDookAug 15, 2023
I’m pretty sure we could easily find several million Americans with that same opinion. You’re delusional if you don’t realize that, or possibly just ignorant of the numbers.
Show threadTwoGemsAug 15, 2023
lmao Kennedy may backfire and take Republican votes with him.
Show threadIsthisredditAug 15, 2023

Facts and math don’t matter to conservatives /republicans - they ALWAYS fall in line. Look how fast they all fell in line when trump was the nominee.

People have different opinions why rightwingers always fall in line (hatred of libs, to them it’s a sports team, fascists gotta fascist, the authoritarians always need a leader, etc etc)

For whatever reason, if a hamster got the republican nomination, rightwingers would fall in line then too

Show threadGladiusBAug 15, 2023

They imploy strength in numbers and are you in or out. In a productive system we can have 4 or 5 different candidates with platforms that vary but not drastically and choose from the 12 or so popular candidates.

But our system does not reward good ideas politically. Our system rewards outrage and alignment of only two possible teams.

Show threadBilliamAug 15, 2023
For the general election, you’re absolutely right. But as things stand right now, DeSantis has the same chance to be in the general as RFK has- practically none.
Show threadEldritchAug 16, 2023
That’s not accurate either. Assuming and this is a big assumption that Trump is rendered ineligible by some mechanism. Which by All rights he should. But we’ve come to not believe in due to the fact that certain classes of people have no consequences. DeSantis would actually stand a good chance as the one who remains. It’s a ridiculous proposition to even have to consider. But this is where we are.
Show threadBilliamAug 16, 2023
I absolutely agree with you, which is why I said “as things stand right now.”
Show threadPutangInaMoAug 15, 2023

There are no pardons in the GA charges.

And Republicans have definitely come out against this douchebag they just don’t get the attention because other news is too sexy to ignore.

Show threadJordan LundAug 15, 2023

Chris Christie is now ahead of Desantis.

thehill.com/…/4152546-christie-pulls-ahead-of-des…

Christie pulls ahead of DeSantis in New Hampshire GOP primary: poll

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has surpassed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in the critical early presidential primary state of New Hampshire, according to a new Emerson College survey released on Tuesday.  Christie leapfrogged DeSantis’s second place in the Granite State, garnering nine percent support. DeSantis’s support, on the otherhand fell to eight…

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Show threadbtaf45Aug 15, 2023

Chris Christie is now ahead of Desantis.

This is gold.

Show thread【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】Aug 16, 2023
He’s corrupt as fuck but smart and sometimes reasonable.
Show threadJordan LundAug 16, 2023

Pretty big Achilles heel with the whole bridge thing, but I bet most folks forgot about it by now. :(

…m.wikipedia.org/…/Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal

Fort Lee lane closure scandal - Wikipedia

Show thread【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】Aug 17, 2023
I heard he bankrupted the guy’s brother in law’s tractor dealership.
Show threadFewerWheelsAug 15, 2023
POTUS cannot pardon state crimes. This indictment is from Georgia, not federal.
Show threadAstralWeekendsAug 16, 2023
Hell, watch Trump get elected and pardon himself. (knocks on wood)
Show threadAgent_of_KayosAug 16, 2023
The president can’t pardon state level charges. He would need the Georgian governor to pardon this specific one
Show threadAstralWeekendsAug 16, 2023
Ah that’s true, forgot this was state level, excellent!
Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsAug 16, 2023
🤔 Is the Georgia governor up for reelection next year?
Show threadjdsquaredAug 16, 2023
No, Kemp just won reelection in 2022.
Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsAug 16, 2023
Ah, okie. Georgia has a pardon board, right? Are they elected or appointed?
Show threadjdsquaredAug 16, 2023
Georgia Constitution says the governor can’t pardon. There’s a board of corrections or something, that you go through for a pardon. Which can’t happen until 5 years after your sentence is carried out.
Show thread【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】Aug 16, 2023
Yeah I think there are only two or three states set up this way. And you don’t get a pardon unless you admit and explain your crimes, unless your request is based on factual innocense, in which case the criminal charge must be resolved in your favor by way of a post judgment notion to dismiss the criminal complaint.
Show threadAgent_of_KayosAug 30, 2023
Thank you for the explanation. I was misinformed and am happy to now know the correct reason he will be unable to pardon himself. Also it’s promising to hear that it’s run by a board rather than leaving it just up to the governor alone
Show threadAgent_of_KayosAug 16, 2023
It’s a good thing that the president can’t pardon charges at the state level, so this one should have more sticking power…for now