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John Shirley Aug 12, 2023

Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting JESUS as TOO LIBERAL (not a joke! Not The Onion!)

"Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount and...'Where did you get those liberal talking points?'"

"When the pastor would say, 'I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ' ... The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn't work anymore.' "When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, we're in a crisis."
https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706

Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting ‘Liberal’ Teachings of Jesus

Christian devotees of former President Donald Trump are denouncing Bible verses attributed to Jesus as “weak,“ according to an evangelical leader.

Newsweek

Yes they DO think Jesus is too woke. Not all evangelicals take this attitude. But there's a MAGA faction of Christians. Some are saying, "We need to get more Old Testament"--others say no, because that's so...Jewish

Woodchaz Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023
It's NT for me, OT for thee.

@JohnShirley2023 wow, they figured out how to make Christianity even less coherent.

Larry Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023
Probably don't want to give up blended textiles.

Timothy Clark Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023 There's a real qualitative change now, where they've gone well past silent disregard or contorted rationalizations to disregard teaching they themselves call "inerrant" and now are just straight up calling Jesus's teachings morally incorrect. There was a time when calling Jesus's works or words evil ("woke" = evil in their dictionary) was not just heretical but outright blasphemous.

Resuna Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023 One thing that early turned me off the Honor Harrington series is when they turned the awful old-testament-only sect with chattel slavery for women unto bold old-testament-inspired warriors against the -Soviet-Union- Republic of Haven with chattel slavery for MOST women.

Guitarsophist Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023 Often it seems that evangelicals are doing and saying the opposite of what Jesus does and says. But the Old Testament is full of raunchy stuff that they wouldn't approve of either. A lot of it is God telling the Israelites what to do and the Israelites not doing it and getting in big trouble.

Are we watching a MAGA schism in Christianity? Perhaps The Art of the Deal becomes a new sacred text?

Jeff Craig Aug 12, 2023

@jredlund @JohnShirley2023 Honestly, breaking the back of the idea that "Christian" is a political bloc would be great. Break them back into denominations like before the 1970s, and we all benefit. Even the Christians who don't want to be politically lumped in with Evangelicals.

graphictruth Aug 12, 2023

@jredlund @JohnShirley2023

Reading Revelations these days is starting to make me wonder what Shrooms John of Patmos was eating, because Donald Trump is a damn fine #antichrist.

As an #Ignostic I don't see much need for prophecies; they are either common sense coerced into doctrines or the sacred gibberish that comes from trying to relate and understand a shamanic trance journey. Subjective truths; often useless. Pulling meaning out is difficult.

Peter Paaske Juul Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023 look, the whole "sell all your stuff, give the money to the poor, then come follow me" was clearly an ALLEGORY for... Something. It probably means "hire the poor and give them a little money for their work. But not too much. Can't have them become rich. They are just gonna love money, and that is a root of all evil."

Adrian J. Chung Aug 13, 2023

@Rockbear @JohnShirley2023
The evangelicals abandoned christian vows of poverty centuries ago. They were eventually superseded by the prosperity gospel

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2013/may/29/prosperity-gospel-mockery-christianity

The prosperity gospel makes a mockery of Christianity

Andrew Brown: Preachers who get rich by saying success is a mark of divine favour go against everything Jesus taught – maybe he had a point

The Guardian

Peter Paaske Juul Aug 13, 2023

@ajc418 @JohnShirley2023 indeed. And while the capitalism-ization of church has been a great success for some, the parishioners has experienced exactly what workers everywhere has experienced. The lie "You too can be a Billionaire, if you work really hard." Has been transformed into "you too can be a blessed and become a billionaire, if you pray and give really hard."

It was basically the same scam when kings and bishops talked people into going to war "for God". (1/2)

Peter Paaske Juul Aug 13, 2023

@ajc418 @JohnShirley2023 It saddens me that this sort of "Christianity" from the evangelical right has gained so much traction that few even know of the evangelical left, of Christian socialism, of Liberation Theology and similar movements.

But one may suspect that the loud evangelicals of this era would rather forget about Martin Luther King Jr. et al...
(2/2)

Mark Pauley Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023 wait til they find out that Jesus was Jewish

James Aug 12, 2023

@JohnShirley2023

So, let me see; the only way they can get to heaven is to be baptized and believe in Jesus Christ (My apologies if I get this wrong). So these folks are saying they don't believe in the teachings of Christ . . . So they can go to Hell, eternal damnation, for a political point?