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AgamemnonPosted this a couple weeks ago in /AuDHD. I was wondering how long it would take to circulate and be reposted here. đ
RingmasterincestuousDo you know where itâs supposed to be reposted to next? đ¤¨
We already had adhd and autism so obviously !rickandmorty and !archlinux are next for the gifted people.
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Thanks for reminding me where I downloaded it a few weeks ago :3
What if I have stuff from all three circles
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I had suspected being gifted could have helped mask autism and ADHD (a psychiatrist even said âyou have a PhD, you do not have ADHDâ), but I had never seen it like this and it makes me even more suspicious.
See a different doctor and have them examine you with a spotlight on ADHD symptoms. Thereâs remarkably few doctors that are good at diagnosing ADHD, especially in certain presentations.
Thereâs a lot of common misconceptions about ADHD and itâs signs/symptoms, and those misconceptions are not exclusive to people without a PhD. So get a second or third opinion.
Iâm on the gifted side, with an more inward presentation of ADHD, it wasnât until I was 39 that I even spoke to a medical professional about it. I was mediocre in school (often without trying, because I couldnât focus or sit long enough to do homework or study), and as Iâve gotten older and into my career in a highly technical field, job demands have made it much harder to mask my ADHD symptoms. I started treatment by medication and Iâve been able to sit and focus and do my job better and easier than before. I still have challenges, medication isnât a cure; medication has simply given me better control over where my focus lies, if Iâm not working to direct my energy and focus into the right work, then Iâm no better off.
Diagnosis is the first step, so if your doctor isnât up to speed enough to know the signs and symptoms, find one who is.
Until recently, adult ADHD was not considered to be a thing but evidence has shown that to be very wrong. A lot of people were told that people just grew out of being ADHD, and some do, but not everyone.
Your achievements do not and should not have any bearing on whether you are affected. You can have ADHD and be very well decorated in your achievements, even if youâve never been properly diagnosed or treated for it.
The main factor here should be whether you think that you may have it, and whether or not having it may be holding you back. Make a choice whether thatâs something you believe, and go from there.
Iâll definitely look into it, thank you!
These are all spectrums. Experiencing all of these symptoms is normal. Experiencing these symptoms frequently and with such high degree that it impacts your daily life - that is a disorder.
I am not a doctor.
For me (who has all 3) the items on that chart arenât symptoms. Theyâre personality traits.
I think they fail to be traits when one has no control over their remediation. At which point they become neurological disorders.
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I might or might not be a turtle practicing martial arts as a hobby.
AtomicPurpleLike 90% of these apply to me, though I've somehow failed every ADHD assessment I've ever taken.
Same, but Iâve been placed far onto the spectrum by every Aspergerâs / autism assessment Iâve taken.
dreadgoatEverybody's a little ADHD, and everybody's a little crazy. You have to reach a particular threshold before you qualify as "clinical."
If you are able to function independently, then you probably won't be clinically diagnosed even if you have some struggles here and there.
Consider the difference between a person with OCD who feels really uncomfortable when they aren't able to perform their compulsions vs. a person who suffers a complete mental breakdown and loses all ability to self-regulate for hours or days.
I have an autism diagnosis, and I'm pretty sure I have ADHD as well. Literally almost everything on that chart applies to me in a substantial capacity. I've never sought a clinical diagnosis as an adult, but if I were to I'm fairly certain I would get one.
The ADHD assessments I had in school were all the stare at a screen and hit a button when a dot appears kind. I think they were expecting me to get bored and mess up, but that's the kind of task I'm good a hyper-focusing on short periods of time. One time the assessor told me I couldn't have ADHD because my average reaction time was one of the best she'd ever seen. I think that type of assessment is fundamentally flawed.
If you are able to function independently, then you probably wonât be clinically diagnosed even if you have some struggles here and there.
I disagree. I have official diagnoses for both ADHD and ASD and am mostly functional most of the time. If I earned enough, Iâd be living on my own. I was diagnosed as an adult within the past few years while working nearly full time and I made it on time to each of the several appointments that went into getting that diagnosis. If what you say is true, I doubt the assessor would have been willing to give a diagnosis.
If I earned enough, Iâd be living on my own
Then you donât, strictly speaking, disagree with what the other person said. Weâre merely debating over the level of functionality you operate at.
Youâre independent on most issues, but youâre financially dependent on others. So your functioning in society may be lower than most people, but you are âhigh functioningâ for somebody with ND.
Iâm currently working full time in web development. Cost of living is just crazy compared to what Iâve been able to find for suitable employment, and while it doesnât help that the types of work I tolerate well are perhaps limited by neurodivergence, I donât think itâs the primary factor.
But thatâs beside the point. I was more just saying that there are definitely people who can present as though theyâre doing about as well as you could expect of a person with their background without considering neurodivergence, but still qualify for a diagnosis. Or put another way, itâs possible, in some cases, to work hard enough to fly under the radar and not even recognize it yourself. I didnât have any issues with independence, really, until I hit an intense burnout from extreme levels of overwork and overall stress. I wouldnât be shocked to learn of others in my position, so Iâm hesitant to suggest someone may not resonate fully with the experience just because they havenât hit their limit yet.
MiddleWeighThis is quite revealing. Iâm hyper focused on some of my past and present behavior now and feel like a damn hypochondriac at this point.
I feel attacked.
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My 6yo was watching Avatar 2 for the first time and the scene where the humans are burning down the forests, and he immediately asks me âhow can there so much fire if people have to wear masks to breathe?â
Last year we saw a pickup merging on the highway with a balloon arch in the back and he immediately realized what was about to happen.
Is heâŚgifted? How do we find out?
In Ontario, Canada, if they still do it the same way as they did in the 80s/90s, they do a test in grade 3 which can determine giftedness. After the test I was sent to do a psycho-educational assessment, then sent off to another school with a gifted program. I was in gifted classes until the end of grade 10. I definitely made some great friends in that program, but I think I would have been better off being taught how to survive in the real world, compared to the experience of having your own special class. There is no âspecial classâ in the workplace.
Or, you can probably just go directly to a psychologist for a psycho-educational assessment, but there is usually a cost involved.
Schools donât teach how to live anyway, so you missed nothing
I mean instead of the effort spent on a gifted program, they could have put effort into helping neurodivergent kids to develop strategies to exist and thrive within a class (world) designed for neurotypicals.
If you made friends, it taught you social skills.
The problem with gifted students is that they can struggle connecting with those who donât enjoy abstract thinking, theory, etc, but at the same time it was one period of your school day, you had all the others including recess and lunch to learn that.
Not talking about social skills, and when I went to school, gifted classes were full time, from grades 4-8.
That seems like a really bad idea unless you had a very large school or that was just what they called honors classes. My class was pretty average at 200 students and there were only 5 kids in the gifted program.
Thatâs a good question to ask your local pediatrician.
Ha, yeah I was one of them.
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Very helpful.
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zarmantoThis chart hits me hard, in so many ways.
There are certain traits common to neurotypicals which I have always considered to be detrimental to not only that person in whom Iâve observed the trait, but to society as a whole â but because Iâm the one who is considered âdifferentâ I usually find that itâs easier to just keep my trap shut, rather than be browbeaten by NTs for my strong opinions.
As a very obvious example: âHighly developed moralsâ is tucked away in the corner of the Autism/Giftedness sub-quadrant. Iâm going to make the obvious assumption that Ms. Higgins Lee clearly did not intend to imply that only neurodivergents hold that trait⌠but, anecdotally, I have nonetheless on more than one occasion observed that far too many people who are considered by the larger populace to be ânormalâ not only appear to lack that trait, but actively despise anyone who holds such high morals.
NTs so often derisively label us as âautisticâ or âneurodivergentâ or (my personal favorite) ânerdsâ⌠like these are all somehow bad things â but maybe society as a whole needs to reevaluate the entire notion of what constitutes âgoodâ and âbadâ.
Sorry⌠am I being too divergent? Should I shut my trap⌠yet again?
I think âHighly developed moralsâ in this context doesnât mean being a âbetterâ person by following a âsuperiorâ code of conduct.
It means a higher chance to follow any established code out of principle - even to oneâs own detriment - even with zero chance of getting caught cheating - even without getting to have bragging rights on upholding integrity. (But only if that code is properly understood first and deemed reasonable. Arbitrary BS-rules donât have that effect) There was a study about it, I think, from Bazil?
Youâre probably right â but letâs pick that apart for a bit. What you are basically describing is âdoing whatâs right when nobody is watching.â How is that not a âsuperior code of conduct,â as you put it?
Social codes donât have inherent value. They vary over time, places, culture, etcâŚ
Right and wrong are subjective. You can try to debate for moral absolutism, but I wonât respond.
I was describing âdoing what one thinks is expected to be the right choice as defined by code without incentives to do so other than the personal desire to uphold the code by making the choice it suggestsâ
Maybe: More closely adhere to whatever their morals may be. Good, bad, or otherwise.
I canât tell you how many times I was told I was âtoo honestâ
I actually hate the term neurodivergent or neurodiverse, itâs so tentative and annoying. Iâve been called crazy my entire life, they might as well just stick with that - itâs clearly what theyâre implying.
SimonFabianMueller@feedum_sneedson @zarmanto In German âcrazyâ is translated as âverrĂźcktâ. The literal meaning is âdisarrangedâ or âshiftedâ - so just a deviation from the norm. Sounds not to bad to me, I like being called âverrĂźcktâ.
maegul (he/they)I always think of probability distributions in this context. Taking something like the bell curve for instance. Being bang-on precisely average is actually very unlikely. Some degree of âdivergenceâ or âvariationâ from the mean is in fact the far more likely state. Even taking the typical +/- 1 standard deviation, which comprises ~68% ⌠that leaves ~32% that do not fall into the middle or normal range.
Thatâs a huge amount of people that may all be very different from each other, even more different from each other than they are from âthe averageâ, but are all very different from ânormalâ. IMO, itâs not appreciated enough how much variation is baked into anything statistical.
My best friend is ND (she thinks sheâs autistic but hasnât been diagnosed), I think Iâm ND too since Iâve noticed I have a much higher capacity for empathy than basically anyone I know, but we often talk about sense of morality. She has a very strong moral compass and sense of justice. I donât think itâs so much that NT people lack this sense of justice/morality (obviously there are exceptions but I donât consider psychopaths that lack morals as NT), so much as itâs much easier for them to ignore to not upset the status quo. This comes out mainly at work. She would burn bridges because she would see major moral issues come up that her coworkers just kind of ignored but it ate at her until she finally said something, often being dismissed as a result unfortunately. Itâs a really interesting topic though
@CaptFeather @zarmanto I think autistics might tend to view moral issues deontological rather than utilitaristic. Would match recent science which says autisticâs prediction models play less of a role in their perception than their senses. NT on the other hand perceive things more in light of prior experiences and thus utilitaristic.
I absolutely agree. Sheâs a vet tech and since animals being mistreated by her coworkers donât have a voice she feels itâs her responsibility to speak up for them. I admire her for that, even though it tends to limited the hospitals she can work at.
Very eye opening how many people are in medicine (human and animal) that lack compassion. She told me about an elderly doctor she briefly worked for that was treating a dog who had a fox tail stuck in its law for son long that it ended up coming out the other side. Poor pup had a hole in its paw. Anyway this doc had to make sure there was no debris in the wound so he stuck his finger in the hole without anesthesia. She walked out of the room after yelling at him and quit shortly after. Anyway, my point is her NT coworkers all kinda just stood around and watched and clearly werenât as bothered by this as she was.
I think âhighly developed moralsâ refers to, for example, internally consistent morals. Calling them highly developed shouldnât be understood to imply the morals are âbetterâ or more ârightâ, only that they are consistent. My neurotypical family members have morals and they will preach those morals to literal death. When actual circumstances of life require a sacrifice of them to live within the morals they preach though, they have no difficulty imagining a special exception to those morals.
Marxism-FennekinismI know I had ADHD in my childhood, diagnosed, medicated for a while, but was told I âgrew out of itâ in my teens. Not sure if thatâs the right term, but I was indeed told I no longer have it.
Been doing some research, and thinking more and more about whether I have mild autism/asbergers. Does anyone know any reliable and discrete ways of figuring out if you might be on the spectrum or not? Something I can keep to myself at least for the time being? Or is asking my doctor the only way? Are specialists that specifically assess autism spectrum a thing? And is it possible to go to one of them without having to be referred by my primary care doctor?
I was recommended embrace-autism.com/autism-tests/ and itâs given me quite a bit of information about myself. Wish I could help more. Keep reaching out and eventually the right answer will find you! Good luck on your journey. Donât give up.
Thank you so much!
kapx132Most of the traits listed above apply to me.
I have like 90% of what is in the ADHD circle đŁ
Nothing about this is scientific.
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