MicroWaveMoscow targeted again as Kyiv steps up drone attacks inside Russia
BuddahrifficGood shit Ukraine, hope you figure out ways to counter their counters.
The damage is pretty mild compared to the ruins that Russia created with their missiles on major ukrainian cities.
If moscovits are shaking bacause 10 windows of a single story got damaged, they are invited to ukraine and see what they are doing to the civil population there.
LazaroFlimWhen mosquito is a nuisance, but 1000 mosquitoes is a real threat.
Can someone explain how they can fly drones that far?
Or is it someone stationed locally who’s soing the control?
Probably both, but yiu can fly a drone a lot further when it is a one way mission and yiu don’t need to save energy to fly it back.
yeah, I’d guess like 2 times further lol
These are partially remote human guided missiles
People can turn away from supporting a war pretty quickly when it suddently reaches your doorstep.
Or they can become more in favor of it.
Yeah suddenly the “nazi” regime is “attacking”.
When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you’ve inflicted being returned to you.
If there hadn’t been a year of sons and husbands and fathers and grandfathers being more or less abducted by press gangs to become conscripts: Definitely.
But they know there is a war of aggression going on. And regardless of whether they support the war, they know this is retaliatory.
So the die hard supporters will likely support the war even more. But the vast majority of people will lose the ability to ignore it as “Just more Putin stuff. Praise great leader” and force people to pick a side. And the Russian people know they aren’t going to benefit from the newly captured land and resources. The oligarchs will.
I know a decent number of mainland Chinese folk between grad school and extended family. They are in the same boat. Some support Winnie and others are just keeping their heads down. But they know they live in a batshit insane world of censorship and tend to not be too surprised on the rare occasions the outside world reaches in.
That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.
All it took was a harbor…
Move to lemm.eeThat is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side hardens massively.
The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn’t be dying in.
This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.
Then they can watch their entire country burn. FAFO. Slava Ukraini.
Mate you’re advocating for a genocide against civilians. That’s not acceptable.
They’re the ones doing the genociding and supporting the genociding. They’re the ones supporting the butchers of Bucha and the siege of Mariupol. They’re the ones taking selfies in the ruins of Ukrainian homes for aesthetics.
What would you have done when the Nazis invaded Poland? Would you have wrung hands at the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo?
I made my choice. I joined the strategic nuclear fleet as an SSBN sailor. Sometimes the only language a nation will understand is force.
Yes I absolutely would have wrung hands at the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo. I also absolutely oppose the nukes that were dropped, completely unnecessary and monstrous loss of life. I don’t quite know what you’re getting at with Poland, that could have been prevented if the French and English had accepted the Soviet offer to stop it pre-emptively.
We don’t need to advocate for the murder of civilians. It’s just obscene, and all it will lead to is more murder of civilians in response.
So you’re saying you’re in support of appeasement of Nazis. How did that work out for Europe last time?
Sometimes the only way to get a fascist nation to stop is to bomb the ever living shit out of them until they stand the fuck down.
I didn’t say either of those things. It’s wild how much this community rags on twitter for outrage and assuming the worst possible position of anyone that is responding while that seems to be what this community does constantly.
Sometimes the only way to get a fascist nation to stop is to bomb the ever living shit out of them until they stand the fuck down.
Murdering civilians is not in fact how the nazis were stopped. Vastly out-producing them and outnumbering them in terms of armour was. I don’t know why you think killing civilians is in any way strategically beneficial. Its main effective use is as a terror action against an occupied population.
Strategically the term is “countervalue”. In purely military terms, it removes the ability of the enemy to continue regenerating its troops or keep its war economy and industry functioning. That destruction of industrial ability was the primary purpose of the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo, as well as the primary purpose that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the list of targets.
The occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan were pointless. The former as it destabilized the region and had no real strategic value besides oil which was already procured from the Saudis, and the latter because anyone we were actually trying to target could have been taken out with long distance strikes instead of trying to occupy and create a clearly unwanted government for the inhabitants.
as well as the primary purpose that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the list of targets.
No it fucking wasn’t lmao.
The occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan were pointless.
“Were”, maybe wanna check on that whole past tense thing because you’re still there. Against the will of the people.
Pretending not to be in Syria while still being in Syria too… Stealing the oil.
I’m claustrophobic so picked jumping out of planes instead but same idea. It’s fuckin wild to me that we spent 40 years arming up to fight Ivan and now half the country wants to hand them the keys to the football just to own the libs. They fucked around and are finding out that our old dusty shit off the shelf is eating them alive in properly motivated hands. Oh well
Slava Ukraini
Hooyah Airborne! You’re braver than me, jumping out of a perfectly functional airplane. I’d rather get turned to plasma faster than I can register than plummet as my chute fails to deploy, but different strokes for different folks. Salute to your bravery. Good luck out in the field.
Heroyam Slava!
Well it gets ya out of the house, first in but first to creaky knees down stairs in your 30s. Hooah Boomer bubblehead, braver than I. Got a relative, carrier nuke who’s my same size and he has trouble with space all the time on a CVN as dude over 6 ft, I would lose my entire mind in a boat. Mad respect to you guys floating under ice caps for weeks, at least if I’m in a plane doin plane things and want to step outside I can just open a door and leave lol
Anyway I hope some of the whales floating around Putins dacha are powered by steam and coffee rather than krill…
Mate I don’t think most russian people are reading an obscure, western primarily english speaking social media site, and the ones that are are probably more likely to be against the war.
Oh of course there’s not many reading here. But the point is that this behaviour should be opposed because its normalisation here means that the users go elsewhere and normalise it there too. This is prevalent all over the place because nobody bothers to call it out and point out how unhelpful it is.
Even Navalny’s team, who I despise as the man’s a fascist, has said the same thing I’m currently saying.
That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
Russia in 1917
Mahkno? I’m fairly sure they walked under the black flag back then.
Worth noting that the actual origin of the bisected red/black flag is the First International in 1864, which was both anarchist+communist before the split occurred between Marx and Bakunin. Anarchists would be banned from the future ones as a result of the split and disagreements that occurred.
MostlyBirdsThat is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
There are countless historical examples of cities and countries surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.
Civilians do not decide whether to surrender or not. Militaries and leadership do.
You really don’t read much history, do you?
Do you want to give some examples?
I would if I thought you were participating in the discussion good faith, but that’s not something CCP tankies are capable of, so I guess go find a way through that firewall and google it yourself. You won’t, though, because you guys have no interest in true facts
That’s a no then
It usually has the opposite effect and hardens resolve
Press X to doubt.
Everyone is a badass until bullets start whizzing by your ass.
By that logic Ukraine would have capitulated by now…
Agression and defense are very different motivators.
If your country decides to attack another country then your country is an agressor, but if the defending country comes and blows up the street in front of your home you don’t think you’d feel like you need to defend not getting your home blown up?
Question isn’t about attacking in Ukraine, question is about defending Russia from Ukranian attacks. Hence it would be a defensive motivator when your family is about to be bombed by Ukraine in Russia vs you invading Ukraine.
Several million people fled the country. There is no option to leave anymore.
Idk man, humans are wild. WW2 germany fought for a loooong time after the war had really been lost.
Poplar?I don’t know anything about war, are attacks like this acceptable? Doesn’t it risk killing civilians?
SpicyPeaSoupIf russia doesn't like it, it can leave ukraine and stop these attacks.
Agreed. Tit for tat doesn’t begin to describe the “Tat” that Russia has been flinging into Ukraine.
Considering the whole “3 day op” stuff and looking at it like a David vs Goliath story…it’s pretty goddamn impressive we’re talking about Kyiv throwing shit into Moscow at all. Vlad wasn’t ready for the sunflower farmers to give him such a strong middle finger
SloganLessonsUnfortunately they are, if enough justification exists. In WW2, both the Allies and Axis would bombard cities with civilians if those had any strategic value (military industries, disruption of logistics, sometimes because soldiers were inside the houses, etc).
Other times, it was to try out hypothesis. Germany started to bombard London to see if the population would become demoralised and demand the government to capitulate. The US sent the infamous Hiroshima and Nagasaki Nuclear Bombs, because they believed the japanese military would not capitulate through conventional means (I recommend reading more about the pacific war if you're interested, but the bottom line here is that most japanese soldiers were expected to fight to the death, and the US could not treat them like a western power. The nuclear bombs were a bet that they could avoid having to invade Japan itself)
And to be honest things didn't change that much since then. There might be more awareness of how awful it is, some countries might need better justifications than others before targeting cities, but they do it. The US did it in the middle east, Russia too, etc.
From my average joe point of view, this attack didn't target anything with strategic value, but the attack itself is a message that Ukraine can reach Moscow.
Not knowing anything about this war is honestly pretty ignorant of you. Its the most important war on the planet right now, you don’t get to just bury your hed in the sand.
And boy - what a great way to ensure that nothing is learned!
Here’s a post from someone trying to learn, and get a bit of context from more learned people, and you just shit all over them?
Shameful.
Thanks at least for showing me that actually - the feddeverse isn’t for me. Ta ta!
You should stay, mercuryrising should leave if they want to make this a place that doesn’t encourage learning or asking questions.
trainsaresexyJoin another instance if you don’t like the vibe of the big ones.
JaysynGood.
I hope it didn’t kill any civilians.
Fair, but also almost strangely off kilter comment? Idk. I hope when Russia bombs Ukranian cities no one gets hurt but that clearly doesn’t happen. Hate to ‘whatabout’ you but I one solid strike against Moscow is hardly triggering my sympathy for them.
Civilian deaths are bad no matter what side. Leave the soapboxing, armchair warrior stuff back at Reddit please and realize there’s no room for nuance when discussing human, civilian life. Not every Russian is bad…
Get your centrist, inaction supporting take here boys, free for all, one per person please.
Great job people. Let’s congratulate people on targeting civilians during a war. Clap clap clap.
Man shut the fuck up lmao