Mastodawn

If you're still using Chrome for performance reasons:
- Firefox is now faster than Chrome out-of-the-box
- Firefox uses less memory than Chrome
- Contrary to Chrome, Firefox does not restrict Ad blockers, which will make your browsing experience much faster (and safer).

nitrofurano Jul 28, 2023

@bladecoder and what about Waterfox? ;)

@nitrofurano Never tried that one and I'm not convinced it's better than a tweaked Firefox (also it seems to be based on an older version of Firefox)

nitrofurano Jul 28, 2023

@bladecoder so, which Firefox alternatives (based on Firefox and drm-free) would you recommend?

@nitrofurano I never tested any Firefox derivative. Why do you need one?

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@bladecoder i can't remember precisely, perhaps from Firefox developers (and Debian packagers as well, i wonder why...), like lack of transparency or stuff like that, leading to my total lack of trust - anyway, if Firefox were that good it wouldn't needed to be "tweaked" (cleaned) anywhere

Spicewalla Jul 29, 2023

Just because some randos feel that *they* need to tweak firefox does not mean that firefox 'needs' to be tweaked.

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@Spicewalla @bladecoder what i think is that, before using a software we should trust on it - i don't trust Firefox, and i think i'm not alone... :S

Spicewalla Jul 29, 2023

Then why would you trust some randos?

Aurora Penguin Aug 15, 2023

@Spicewalla @nitrofurano @bladecoder people don't "trust" Firefox but usually have a hard time explaining what the only real concerns I have seen is the "Firefox studies" being used to quote unquote "install adware", such as the Firefox Mr robot ad campaign and then something recently about the weather channel. Other examples include pocket integration and maybe supporting the video DRM thing

But as for completely not trusting Firefox I have a hard time understanding the reason behind it. Waterfox / ice weasel got it's start because the hardcore OSS purists were upset that Mozilla wanted the Firefox IP to not be completely open source , which is it's right to do, so they just shipped a different png and called it ice weasel.

s�d Jul 29, 2023

@nitrofurano @bladecoder Firefox DRM is opt in and you can permanently disable it

[moved] stereo griever Jul 29, 2023

@pl @nitrofurano @bladecoder that on desktop, and on Android, if you have F-Droid, use Fennec (fork with a little amount of patches, fast-tracking to upstream)

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@selfisekai @pl @bladecoder thanks!

Gourd Jul 29, 2023

@selfisekai @pl @nitrofurano @bladecoder Fennec F-Droid also has arbitrary extension support in a stable release! (Standard Android Firefox only allows extensions from a supported list by Mozilla in stable, and arbitrary extensions in Beta.)

You have to do a weird thing called a Custom Collection to make extensions available to it then, but it'll support 95% of Firefox extensions then. (Some will have UI weirdness on phone.)

uhmmm Jul 30, 2023

@selfisekai @pl @nitrofurano @bladecoder

Thanks !

I didn't understand what the heck Fennec was !

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@pl @bladecoder one of the problems is that is turned on by default, and the other one is that they started on implementing it - and how easily we will be able to disable it in the next versions?

s�d Jul 29, 2023

@nitrofurano are you annoyed by the code being bundled or activated? Firefox for me on Android asks for consent to actually load DRM content

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@pl both, actually!!! xD

m0xEE Jul 29, 2023

@nitrofurano
That's exactly what it is about — the defaults. My FF has all telemetry, WebP and VP9 disabled. Has all the necessary exts: uBO, LibRedirect, DecentralEyes, ForgetMeNot and Privacy Possum + a few others I like. And its UI is *heavily* tweaked. I doubt it's any different from LIbreWolf at this point. But were I starting afresh, I'd probably go with LibreWolf because saner defaults make sense.
@pl @bladecoder

m0xEE Jul 29, 2023

@nitrofurano
One more thing: you get security updates earlier with base FF, forks take some time at least for the patches to get rebased and to get built for all platforms — but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take a great deal of time 🤷
@pl @bladecoder

@nitrofurano Why should I disable WebP and VP9?

🚲 🇳🇱Jul 30, 2023

@tealcows @nitrofurano @m0xee I’m confused about this as well

nitrofurano Jul 30, 2023

@lil5 @tealcows i was thinking webp was just a format, not that obscure - i saw that it took a long while for a gimp and imagemagick support... :S

@nitrofurano @bladecoder LibreWolf. https://librewolf.net/

LibreWolf Browser

A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom.

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@governa @bladecoder thanks!

nitrofurano Jul 29, 2023

@governa @bladecoder trying it now, seems to be a good one - i needed to do this anyway... https://leafandcore.com/2021/06/02/firefox-gets-major-redesign-and-how-to-fix-those-huge-tabs/

Firefox Gets Major Redesign (and How to Fix Those Huge Tabs) - Leaf&Core

There's a new Firefox in town and it's well, it's just an improvement on the old Firefox design. However, in pre-production, it was referred to as

Leaf&Core

Avoid the Hack!

@bladecoder Waterfox keeps up with upstream Firefox patches. Only Waterfox classic is based on the older Firefox source code.