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@gruber These cookie prompts ruined the web.
@simonbs @gruber and they didn’t have to. Cookie banners are intentionally designed to get people to click “accept”. The _ethically_ correct thing is to not collect identifying data at all until it is required for your user, then ask. Instead we get this. I spend part of my professional life helping companies suck less in this area. It’s an uphill struggle. Most don’t _want_ to understand. Easier to throw a cookie banner at it and pretend you’ve acted ethically. #privacy #consent

@bratling @simonbs @gruber Because it's kind of important to track people's sign up flows and understand what they're doing? Or run targeted ads to actually fund the newspaper?

It's not like they're running a personal blog here.

@yury_mol @bratling @simonbs @gruber you don't automatically charge someone's credit card when they visit your website, so why would automatically tracking them be okay?

It's not because we got used to it that it was a good business model.

@xavez @bratling @simonbs @gruber Arguing via parallels is bad faith because people always construct a situation where their argument wins.

Tracking is OK. Show me any example of harm experienced by anyone involved. For the fact they’re getting content and services for free.

@yury_mol @xavez @bratling @simonbs @gruber

If you let people do what they want ... guess what? They do what they want. Narcissistic ShittyPeople have a heyday.

The effect on UK is profound. Was it just Cambridge Analytica? It only took 2% to change the outcome.

E.G.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal

Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal - Wikipedia

@gsymon @xavez @bratling @simonbs @gruber I don't understand what your point is. Also, the entire Cambridge Analytica debacle was a sham that didn't mean to anything.

1. People wanted Facebook to be more open, it closed down as a response to this.
2. Now only Facebook itself processes your data.
3. The data those "scientists" collected was useless for pretty much anything, as confirmed by the UK itself later. But it caused a large scandal and became a scapegoat for years.

@yury_mol @xavez @bratling @simonbs @gruber

Facebook paid a $725m settlement, so I guess they thought there was something there.

Your third point is simply naive. Why on earth do you think those people spent so much time/money/effort to access and use that data? You think they were just a bit dumb or something? Maybe you should look a little deeper, with an open mind.