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@rodhilton
Ditto #music industry

George Pandzik Jul 25, 2023

@rodhilton it's just annoying to have to watch the movie with an eyepatch on. 🤷‍♂️

Half Cocked Law Jul 25, 2023

@rodhilton no, you can't just stream from one platform. You must pay for twenty streaming platforms. And we are going to raise the prices constantly. And remove content for no reason. And add advertisements. And block you from streaming when you're away from home.

Carlos Sierra 🌹Jul 25, 2023

@rodhilton I remember those “Piracy is not a victimless crime” screens… Streaming is not a victimless crime either right?

Pusher Of Pixels (old account)Jul 25, 2023

@rodhilton yeah, I'm waiting for the day when studios literally don't release things on physical media.

The last movie I went to in a theater was the first Star Wars reboot. FORTY FIVE MINUTES of previews followed by the most rehashed plot in movie history was enough to tell me I'm never watching another thing outside my house. If they remove the ability for rips to exist I will happily not watch another major title

Bruce Heerssen

Jul 26, 2023

@rodhilton
Copyright infringers: I was never going to pay for this drek anyway. You've lost nothing.

Brandon Jul 26, 2023

@rodhilton also film studios: AI is good because it prevents us from having to pay hardworking people to make these films.

MaybeMyMonkeys Jul 26, 2023

@rodhilton get in the way of profits and bonuses and you are the enemy

@rodhilton That’s rubbish. Streaming companies pay the film studios who pay streaming royalties.

@Craktok @rodhilton Just like OP said. The streaming royalties that make it to the people actually involved in the creation of the movie are so small, that they effectively don’t exist.

@melgu @rodhilton so you’re happy to steal their work so they get nothing at all???

@rodhilton @Craktok Where did I say that? I’m just saying that it basically doesn’t make a difference in a world where the main actors of a popular show only receive at most around 30 $ of streaming royalties per year. You can imagine how laughable the amount will be for anyone else.

@melgu @rodhilton well that’s the conclusion the OP reached and you said his conclusion was right.

@rodhilton @Craktok I said it’s like the OP said and meant their analysis of film studios. And while I don’t condone piracy, I also don’t really fault anyone in this specific context since it doesn’t make a difference anyway.

@melgu whereas I do condemn piracy as it’s the theft. No matter how you guys try to dress it up.

@Craktok Now we can get technical if copying something for personal use is actually stealing. But in the end, I don’t care if someone steals from billionaires as long as those billionaires keep stealing from everyone around them.

Sean Aug 1, 2023

@melgu there’s no technicality involved. Stealing is stealing. You don’t get to decide who it’s ok to steal from. People steal and should just admit that it’s because they want to. Not try and dress it up in some altruistic bullshit.

Melvin Gundlach Aug 1, 2023

@Craktok If you think the law decides morality and ethics, I’d disagree, but even then, in many countries downloading music and movies from so called pirate sites is legal, and therefore not stealing.

Sean Aug 2, 2023

@melgu what are you talking about??? What has “morality and ethics” got to do with the law of the land??? It’s black and white. And yes stealing is illegal which is why piracy websites get shutdown and people arrested (unless they’re based in a country with no extradition).

Melvin Gundlach Aug 2, 2023

@Craktok I just think there can be differences between what’s *allowed* and what’s *right*.

There exist lots of countries where uploading such content is illegal, but in pretty much no country downloading is illegal. So the act of downloading is not stealing.

Sean Aug 2, 2023

@melgu I still don’t think you get it. The law doesn’t care how YOU want to interpret it, it’s black and white. Sharing of commercial content is illegal in most first world countries and that’s where I live, in a first world country.

Melvin Gundlach Aug 2, 2023

@Craktok Like I said. If you purely go by the definition of the law, then downloading isn’t illegal in many countries (e.g. Germany, where I live), therefore not stealing.

Sean Aug 4, 2023

@melgu sharing copyrighted content is illegal. So hence stealing.

Melvin Gundlach Aug 4, 2023

@Craktok So let’s agree that sharing is stealing, but downloading / streaming that content, like the OP talked about, is not.

Sean Aug 5, 2023

@melgu let’s agree not to be involved in handling stolen content.

Rod Hilton Jul 26, 2023

@Craktok the streaming companies ARE the film studios now, and they specifically do that so that they don't have to pay residuals or profit cuts to any of the people involved in making the stuff. That's exactly what all the writers and actors have been striking about.

Sean Jul 31, 2023

@rodhilton and I’m happy the writers and actors are striking to get the right deal for the future, but none of that gives you the right to promote stealing other peoples products.

Rod Hilton Jul 31, 2023

@Craktok that's exactly what it does

Sean Jul 31, 2023

@rodhilton rubbish. That’s just your excuse to not pay for for something that has value.

Rod Hilton Jul 31, 2023

@Craktok you're not actually making a counter-argument. You're just saying it's stealing.

But it's not stealing. It's copying. Stealing a thing takes it away from the owner. Copying doesn't do that.

What is the moral argument against piracy? Why is it bad?

It used to be that the moral argument was that it was taking money away from the people who make the work, because otherwise a pirate might pay for it. But if you watch it on streaming, the same people still don't get paid.

Sean Aug 2, 2023

@rodhilton what are talking about?? There is no “counter argument” when talking about stealing. There’s no “moral” justification for stealing. It’s an illegal act. You need to brush up on your law.

Rod Hilton Aug 2, 2023

@Craktok lol at the idea that the laws and morality are the same thing

Sean Aug 4, 2023

@rodhilton LOL at the idea that morality has anything to do with the law. The law is black and white.

AnimeDev Jul 26, 2023

@rodhilton same for the game dev industry. Thats why we must burn the man and support indies

Marie Brennan Jul 26, 2023

@rodhilton I'm not saying I'm going to pirate a movie and then donate what I would have paid for it to the WGA and SAG-AFTRA, but the thought *did* cross my mind . . .