ProviderJul 25, 2023

How do you guys remember the early days of the internet? What do you miss about it?

https://feddit.de/post/1850883

How do you guys remember the early days of the internet? What do you miss about it? - Feddit

Wanted to ask you about this article, how do you remember the early days of the internet (I was sadly too young at that time). Do you wish it back? And do you think it can ever be like that again? I would be very interested

Show threadbstixJul 25, 2023
I miss written tutorials. I hate how every tutorial is a YouTube now. I don’t want to watch 15 minutes and forget to pay attention for the second that has the detail that I am missing or it just doesn’t show. Even short tutorials are 3 minutes when it could have been a ten second read. I want to skim a page and go directly to the point. Has writing really become that hard to do?
Show threadAnders429
Drives me crazy when I see this kind of format for things like programming. Nothing like pausing the video and trying to see what their code says.
Jul 25, 2023 at 7:06pmWeb
Show threadNepentheJul 25, 2023

I was all set to start bitching about the obligatory 10-15 minutes of "older, medicated suburban housewife shows off her whole yarn closet, every needle, which needle she likes (it's just pretty), her fingernails, pushes her state-mandated store, and then finishes off with an internet recipe story about how her gramgram was fleeing the war and had to knit jasmine stitch backwards to survive......before fucking up the stitch and never editing that part out. But it's ok because her hands were in the way the whole time anyway."

But I think you've found the only thing that has me beat.

I will at least use this time to implore any knitting/crochet peeps on the fediverse that if you or someone you love is uploading how-to videos anywhere on the web.....SHOW ME THE DAMN STITCH SO I CAN LEAVE. I HAVE PROJECTS, I DO NOT CARE.

Show threadswan_prJul 25, 2023
I'll usually go with the length of the video in cases like this. Anything above 5 minutes is a red flag!
Show threadNepentheJul 25, 2023

I still remember a video I found a year ago that was just barely over a whole minute long. It was a guy doing one single really clear cable stitch in complete silence, and then the video cuts out.

I do not know who they are, but I will vouch for that man before god.

Doing a cursory search to see if I can find it again, the second video suggested to me is 26:44 long.

Show threadswan_prJul 25, 2023
It probably disappeared into the ether because it was too short or lacked a backdrop of dried flowers and a cup of tea.
Show threadJeroen van BergenAug 28, 2023
@Nepenthe @Provider @bstix @Anders429 @swan_pr some procedures are easier to understand when you see how it is done. Like changing the battery in the key of a car.
Show threaddeejay4amJul 26, 2023
YT algorithm favors videos that are at least 10 minutes (they fit more ads in) so those get recommended more. As a result, runtimes get padded with fluff so you get recommended to more viewers.
Show threadflipthetubeJul 26, 2023

That’s disgusting.

I feel like relying on the algorithms completely misses the human elements.

If I need an answer to something, I want my top results to be short and sweet. If I want a documentary or dj set, I don’t want a 3-10 minute version.

Show threadUbergeekJul 26, 2023
@4am @swan_pr remember the days when the max video WAS 10 minutes?
Show threadAlexander The 1stJul 28, 2023
@4am @swan_pr It'd be nice if they do that padding at the end, not the beginning.
Show threadNoah GibbsJul 29, 2023

@4am @swan_pr And it's much harder to sell ads on text instructions 😞

The ad-driven nature of the internet means we get that instead of what we want.

Show threadKeith ☕ 🇳🇿 🤔Jul 31, 2023
@codefolio @4am @swan_pr which is fine, if people want to get paid for providing tutorials or instructions, then that's good for them, if advertising is the mechanism to allow that, then so be it.
Show threadNoah GibbsJul 31, 2023

@keith @4am @swan_pr

It's still hard that it cuts off the early internet. Ads driven by search engines means SEO, which mean making it *very* hard to find the kind of instructions you can't sell ads on.

It's understandable that people write what they can get paid for. It's hard that the early Internet methods of doing this are now effectively dead, with no replacement.

Show threadsalguod, man 🍂🍁 lazysupperAug 11, 2023
@keith @codefolio @4am @swan_pr people should get paid for their efforts, but advertising and algorithms negatively impact the quality of what they produce.
Show thread🇮🇪 Wlado 🇪🇸Aug 2, 2023
@4am @swan_pr 
Show threadKelvin n0mql EN35ldAug 28, 2023
@4am @swan_pr
Except now they're also pushing shorts (which is so stupid).
Show threadflopperdogAug 27, 2023
@swan_pr @Provider @bstix @Anders429 @Nepenthe
A five minute video is the WORST because it's going to be four minutes of branding, then 12 seconds of them showing me where in the menu the option I need was buried, then 48 seconds of Don't Forget To Like And Subscribe Kay Thanks Bye!
Show threadSecond Chance BikesAug 28, 2023
@swan_pr @Provider @bstix @Anders429 @Nepenthe
I generally don't view them all, just keep searching for a text-only explanation. Even those have a lot of blabbity blab to scroll past.
If I DO launch a vid, i jump through hoping to find the worthwhile part.
Show threadAcmeworksJul 26, 2023
@Nepenthe @Provider @bstix @Anders429 Haha, I'm tempted to turn that whole thread into a piece of music with "I HAVE PROJECTS I DO NOT CARE" as the chorus. (I'm hearing it as some sort of electronic hardcore punk.)
Show threadNepentheJul 26, 2023
If you can pull it off, you have my blessing. Better post it when you're done, though.
Show threadTinaJul 26, 2023

@Nepenthe The only thing worse are patterns with only a video and no written instructions or charts (I love charts, much easier to read than text).

I actually learned to knit with YT but everything else I want it in writing or charted.

Show threadFanCityKnits 🇺🇦🧶Jul 28, 2023

@spinni81 @Nepenthe patterns that are only video are a thing?

And here I'm bitching about overly wordy patterns. At least it's easy to skim over text to find the relevant parts.

I really can't see why it worked make sense to make a whole pattern a video.

Show threadTinaJul 28, 2023
@FanCityKnits @Nepenthe Unfortunately, yes, there are. I don't come across them often because I mostly search for patterns on Rav but I've seen them there too. To be fair, though, there is a substantial number of crafters (mostly crochet) who prefer videos because they can't read charts and don't understand written instructions. For them YT is crafting heaven.
Show threadTim N7KOMJul 26, 2023
@Nepenthe @Provider @bstix @Anders429 that's why I made a 2-minute how to series for the FT-60r. Each video has to show how to do something on the radio in 2 minutes or less.
Show thread@AlexBlock has movedJul 26, 2023
@Nepenthe @Provider @bstix @Anders429 I need a tutorial to show me how you added bolded text to your post!
Show threadNepentheJul 27, 2023

I assume it all works the same on mastodon, if it's showing up ok, so:

Bold is two asterisks on either side like *this*

Show thread@AlexBlock has movedAug 3, 2023
@Nepenthe @Provider @bstix @Anders429 Thanks for the tips, handy to know!
Show threadwebhatAug 27, 2023

@Nepenthe @Provider @bstix @Anders429 @alexblock **bold** *italic* ~~strikethrough~~

Does this look MD to you?

Show threadSvenjaJul 26, 2023
@Anders429 @bstix for me its even not accessible then, because I can't see the Code in the Video on Screen, ocr is also not reliable there.
Show threadtechnicatJul 28, 2023
@Anders429 @bstix and forget about copy and pasting code
Show threadjanananenaJul 28, 2023
@Anders429 @bstix lol actually i watch videos for programming sometimes - what is really bad is getting a good look at that one knitting stitch that has a six letter abbreviation and only the worst text explanations WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH TAKING A PICTURE OF THIS
Show threadShirley EugestAug 28, 2023
@Anders429 @bstix
Or their screen looks like this, but blurrier.