I guess I'll start using mastodon rather than my NSFW twitter to scream about dumb twitter in interactions but I said 'other genres are just as confusing as fighting games, you just can't hide behind a team to learn' and now someone is arguing with me that MOBAs are more visibly clear and understandable and I want to die
@kayin I would have a better chance of defending myself against thirty seconds of fucking Skullgirls pressure than going thirty seconds without dying in any average FPS or moba.

Those genres feel more clear and straightforward to those people because they’ve spent years playing them. Every genre has an internal logic to it, even between specific games and subgenres. Stuff like map awareness, cover, tracking spawn timers for weapons/objectives, build orders, etc. are completely incomprehensible to me but any seasoned FPS/moba player would say those are basic fundamentals. The same would be true if I start talking to them about spacing, whiff punishing, mixups, frame traps, etc. The difficulty isn’t inherent to one genre or another - ANYTHING is going to feel more obvious and more automatic once you’ve spent enough time on it.
@ToastRider And then when someone makes a comparison it's like "In a moba you just gotta click and move around, but in fighting games you need to know FRAME DATA and have EXECUTION" like nah man you're skipping steps, all these genres are waaaay closer to each other than people think 😭
@kayin starting fighting games with frame data is like starting mobas with turn speed
Its a really dumb take once you apply it to other genres. I play strategy games a lot and I can't imagine forcing someone getting into something like TWW3 to learn like:
"Before you start playing, you should know the statline of every single Empire unit in your army and compare them to your opponent's units stats and as you can see your opponent's dwarfs have higher melee defence by 2 but lower melee attack by 5 which means you'll probably win however they also have high armour so if you do the math you're only dealing around 30% damage and you need to...."

Like, some people learn better when breaking things down into a raw numbers game, but other people are just gonna throw mean green Orcs into Chaos Warriors and see what happens, and that's totally fine. Or, in fighting game terms, I'm gonna mash after blocking a big punch from Sol and see what happens, and if it doesn't work I'll try something else.

Button mashing was what Fighting Games were most commonly associated with for me, so its weird hearing people stress about the exact opposite.
@kayin @Zergursh the orcs can win if they believe in themselves enough