shom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽

Remember when some websites would only work on Internet Explorer (IE)? They could do that because Microsoft had a monopoly on browsers and didn't follow web standards so websites just supported IE. It was a crappy world.
Google is trying to take us back to that crappy world because now Google Chrome has an almost monopoly. Please keep the web open and free switch to a non-chrome browser like Firefox or Safari. https://firefox.com

Tech details: https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/

#chrome isn't #openweb

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Show threadshom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽Jul 22, 2023

Browsers like Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, Opera, Samsung Internet, and others are all based on Chromium (the basis for Google Chrome) so essentially it's equivalent to using Chrome in this context.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Browsers_based_on_Chromium

There are practically only 3 browser engines: Google Chrome (Blink), Apple Safari (Webkit), and Mozilla Firefox (Gecko). Only 1 of these is developed by a non-profit organization (Mozilla Firefox) and only 1 of these is developed by the world's largest advertiser (Google Chrome).

Chromium (web browser) - Wikipedia

Show threadAlex 🇮🇹 💛 🇷🇺Jul 30, 2023

@shom

I am a Firefox user but we have to admit the situation is not as bad as the IE one because Blink/Chromium is FOSS, so browsers based on it can remove whatever bad thing Google adds. And indeed one of the best browser on Android is Bromite, based on Chromium. The problem is when websites implement something bad.

I had hopes that #WebMonetization would fix what the ads industry caused but apparently people don't know/care about it and I don't understand why.

Show threadshom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽Jul 22, 2023

@LateNightLinux you gents have valid criticisms for Mozilla. But can't recall if you are Firefox users/recommenders?

What are your thoughts on the Chrome Web Environment Integrity proposal? Clearly I have a position but would love to hear your thoughts if I'm offbase (I did read the linked explainer).

I hope that Chrome taking another step toward enforcing browser monoculture will get technical folks to start using and recommending Firefox (or anything non Blink) more often.

#latenightlinux

Show threadmike805Jul 22, 2023

@shom @LateNightLinux Use Chrome where you have to (business) and use Firefox elsewhere. If I can't block ads I won't use the service.

As for remote attestation: if we lived in a world where you had to use a locked down browser with no ad blocking for access to commercial sites, I would pay up to several hundred $ for a hardware hack to break that.

There will be enough people to feel similarly to create a hacking industry if that world happens.

Show threadshom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽Jul 22, 2023

@mike805 I'm sure there will be workarounds or at least attempts at it. But it doesn't really address the issue of a non-standards driven open web. We head back into the world of the ActiveX shenanigans for "work" applications.

Technologists working on applications (the fediverse seems well/disproportionately represented) have an opportunity to steer their organizations towards standards instead of Chrome (Blink) specific APIs. So I think it's worth highlighting the issue.
@LateNightLinux

Show threadmike805Jul 22, 2023
@shom @LateNightLinux Agreed. Previous attempts to take over the web have failed, hopefully this one will too.
Show threadJasperJul 22, 2023
@shom this is comically vile
Show threadshom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽Jul 22, 2023

@renniezen in their own explainer write up the "challenges and threats" and "open questions" section they do a pretty good of pointing out how bad an idea this is.

As users and specifically as a tech and open minded person using Chrome based browsers is just acting against our own interests.

#ditchchrome

Show threadshom 🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚✊🏽Jul 22, 2023
@renniezen p. s. always happy to see Buckethead!
Show threadMaronno Winchester Jul 30, 2023
@shom or librewolf:
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