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We need a 4th emergency service for people in crisis to just evac them from bad situations, almost like the witness protection.

https://lemmy.world/post/1947798

We need a 4th emergency service for people in crisis to just evac them from bad situations, almost like the witness protection. - Lemmy.world

I don’t want to get too political in shower thoughts, but this would solve a lot of the hot button issues if more people just had safer and supportive environments to escape to and volunteers / paid professionals to help them on the other end.

Jul 21, 2023 at 11:22pmWeb
Show threadjeffwJul 21, 2023
I don’t understand. Just love anyone who is stressed into a new home? Why not fix the problem in the current home?
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 21, 2023
Yeah, you do that Jeff. Go to someone’s private home and fix everything wrong in there before someone gets hurt.
Show threadjeffwJul 22, 2023
Ok? And you go ahead and dine homes for all those people, bud. That’s realistic, since we don’t have a shortage of affordable housing now lol
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023
By the time things have escalated to the point the abuse victim is desperate to escape, they've spent years trying to fix things at home. Remember, most victims start off having loved their abuser once. It's only after you're met with failure after failure after failure that it finally starts to sink in your abuser doesn't want to change, because they like having power over you.
Show threadfuboJul 21, 2023
The city I live in has a “crisis services” unit for mental health crises, drug abuse related crises, welfare checks, psychiatric evaluation for hospitalization, and so on.
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 21, 2023
Is there a 3 digit number you can call?
Show threadjeffwJul 22, 2023
988 anywhere in the USA
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 22, 2023
I am no longer one of the 86% of Americans who never heard of this
Show threadjeffwJul 22, 2023
Pretty new. Only existed for like a year now
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023

988 is a phenomenal, life-saving service, but unfortunately they don't help you get in touch with services to get out of dangerous situations.

There is the National Domestic Violence hotline, but they're A) run by a private organization, and B) literally hang up on you unless you're experienceing "intimate partner violence", because apparently all other forms of domestic violence don't count! (Ask me how I know that, lmaooooo)

Show threadjeffwJul 22, 2023

Sure, I’m not talking about OP’s post, but about the crisis services. 988 can get you in touch with local services, but mostly therapy.

That’s interesting about the domestic violence hotline.

Show threadFylkirJul 22, 2023

Biggest problem is that you’d need the services everywhere for a 3-digit number to make sense.

Now if there was a 3-digit number that’d connect you to all the misc government services in your area, that’d be another thing.

Show threadpaysrenttobirdsJul 22, 2023
In some cities 211 goes pretty far, but I don’t know how responsive they are.
Show threadlechatronJul 22, 2023
Same with my city. During the defund the police talk they made national news as an alternative to armed police response to mental health crisises.
Show threadjeffwJul 22, 2023
Pretty much everyone in the USA is served by mobile crisis teams. 988 will connect you to one
Show threadTherevevJul 22, 2023

I’ve used one of these before. The main problem is that you’re often put on a hold for at least 72 hours.

And while this does help get you out of that immediate crisis, missing 3 days of work and pay can actually put you in a worse position when you get out.

And mental institution stays aren’t always super helpful for long-term mental health. Many of them are as bad, if not worse than being in jail.

Show threadCrashumbcJul 21, 2023
That’s like half the country…
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 21, 2023
Maybe we’ll end up with just 1 half of the country where people are all chill and caring and the other half can be toxic to each other because they thrive off of unhealthy drama. But oh well.
Show threadTodayJul 22, 2023
I’m in Texas. Guess which half I’ll get…
Show threadInverseParallaxJul 22, 2023

As an escapee from the south, I’d gladly donate to help people make it out.

Nobody should have to live there, it’s inhuman.

Show threadWarmSodaJul 21, 2023
What’s the scope of help you’re thinking of? Do you need to get out of a home situation for a while? You could drink a 6-12 pack and go to your local AA/NA inpatient rehab. Bring a piece of paper with import phone numbers on it and you can spend 2-4 weeks tucked away where absolutely no one knows where you are except the person(s) you call out to.
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 21, 2023
I mean like people stuck in abusive situations, cults, etc.
Show thread520Jul 22, 2023
Most countries have that. It's called the police. Unless you're talking about shelters and the like?
Show threadMonsieurHedgeJul 22, 2023

It's called the police.

The police are a form of state-backed organized crime. They're far more likely to kill you than anything else. Bit like asking a rabid dog for protection.

Show threadSilviecat44Jul 22, 2023
Thats……extreme. This does not apply everywhere
Show threadkairo79 Jul 22, 2023
Maybe in the US, but, for example in Germany it’s really not like that!
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023

Police don't help you get out of your home. The best case scenario is they arrest your abuser, they come home the next morning (and hopefully don't retaliate too severely against you for humiliating them), then weeks to months later you have a court date-- by which time, your abuser's likely threatened you into saying whatever it takes to get them off the hook, and the judge is more than happy to play along so they can get you out the door and move onto other cases.

The worst case scenario is your abuser convinces them you were actually the assaulter, and you're the one going to jail. Or the police do nothing. Or they escalate the situation.

Show thread520Jul 22, 2023
So how would this alternative service be any different? Abusers can be extremely adaptive and have outright control of their victims. The playbook of national services are very easy to learn and adapt around.
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023
Maybe not quite what OP was imagining, but I was less focused on the extraction itself and more the destination-- a network of safe, private residences you could flee to, then stay at until you've found a job and get back on your feet. Even better if they have psychological professionals on hand to help you deal with your trauma-- or hell, even staffers who'll help you get in touch with psychological professionals and other resources to help you get back on your feet would be a big plus.
Show thread520Jul 22, 2023
A lot of governments do fund DA networks, including shelters. The reason they don't run them directly is because welfare agencies can't operate with the level of secrecy needed to effectively run the service. Too much would have to be 'on the books'.
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023

Sharp disagree there. I understand you need to keep some things, like the exact locations of the shelters, a secret, but right now things are so opaque it's hard to even figure out how to check for what services might be available to you in your area. Like, literally, I wouldn't even know where to look (google "DV shelters in <my area>"??? I guess? But then you have to worry about being scammed, and the conditions, and if they take kids / pets / male victims, and, and, and...)

Would be so much easier to just have a hotline you could call that could help you figure out what options are avaliable to you and how to access them.

Show thread520Jul 22, 2023

You look for the charities and open a direct dialogue with them. They will often handle the rest.

Would be so much easier to just have a hotline you could call that could help you figure out what options are avaliable to you and how to access them.

Do not underestimate the maliciously skilled. One hotline to call means one number for their phone spyware to silently alert their abuser on.

Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 22, 2023
I’m talking about setting you up with a new life and cutting all ties to toxic dangerous people.
Show threadskweetisJul 22, 2023
This is one example of how the current criminal justice system prioritizes capitalism over public safety. People who live paycheck to paycheck don't have resources to remove themselves from situations where they know they are in danger. Most people are murdered by people they know, not strangers. This is especially true in terms of women's pay inequality, where this systemic failure makes it harder for women to separate themselves from abusive partners, who often end up killing them. If you want to reduce murders, you need some wealth distribution, not more policing.
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023
This is one of the reasons abusers pressure you to quit your job-- so even if you were finanically stable before, you end up becoming financially dependant on them so you can't just leave. It also makes it nigh-impossible for kids, even kids of wealthy families, to escape abusive situations before they're old enough to get a job (and you can bet their parents will run interference to keep that from happening as long as possible, or else figure out a way to coerce them into giving them their paychecks.)
Show threadTodayJul 22, 2023
That was the whole point of defund the police - shift social/mental health services to people who are trained in those areas and let cops focus on crime rather than domestic disturbances.
Show threadgdbjrJul 22, 2023

It was a shame they went with such a terrible name for this. It just gave the other side way more bs talking points.

Hell the Austin Tx police department (union really) is still butt hurt that they even thought about taking away money from them that they are still refusing to respond to most calls.

Show threadbrygphilomenaJul 22, 2023

Dumbest term ever.

It was always reallocate the funds AND responsibilities to some other agency. Let cops do their cop shit and let homeless and the mentally ill get dealt with by people who care and know how to deal with em.

Show threadTwoGemsJul 23, 2023
Just more proof they should be defunded for being utterly useless
Show threadGorbachofJul 23, 2023
I don’t think this is just a capitalist problem. I don’t think there’s been an economic system in human history (practiced, not theorized) that helped the have nots to the same degree as the haves.
Show threadCaseJul 24, 2023

You say we don’t need more policing, but I have a point to interject.

I was completely sober while my wife was decidedly… not. She had just struck me and it would produce a black eye later.

I called the police, aside from the abuse, my wife was experiencing a mental breakdown and was on the verge of suicide. When I say verge, I mean I had hidden or destroyed anything she could hurt herself with, including my own psych meds that I need for my own mental health issues. She still tried, though ineffectual. We needed professional help. We wanted an ambulance. We requested an ambulance from 911. The pigs showed up, of course.

I had a swelling eye, a witness, and a dramatically unstable wife and was almost arrested.

The police do not care about your well being. “Support and protect” has been stricken down by the Supreme Court. The police serve the 1%, and deal with us plebians as easily as possible… that is to say, they will ruin your life because it is easier than taking care of the actual offended.

We need a support agency for health, especially mental health, crises. A mentally unstable person can cause a lot of damage, either to their own life, or others. That includes death.

End statement. TL;DR; we need a public agency that helps people who are having a mental health crisis and doesn’t treat them as violent extremists.

Show threadCookieJarObserverJul 22, 2023
They just helicopter you out of a argument you lost
Show threadDreamerOfImprobableDreamsJul 22, 2023
Absolutely. And safe, private apartments the people being evacced can stay at for a few weeks / months while they look for work. Not "shelters", actually safe residences.
Show threadBilboBargainsJul 22, 2023
I could use this when I’m getting arrested for using illegal substances. They take me to a safe space where I can get high without worrying about incarnation and inhumane treatment.
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 22, 2023
Hate to break it to you, but you’ve been incarnated already…
Show threadBilboBargainsJul 22, 2023
Let’s get carnal baby. I’ll bring the caramel.
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 23, 2023
Not a great time to have diabetes…
Show threadMaticzplJul 22, 2023
People discovering publicznych welfare :P
Show threadJaseJul 23, 2023
So the exact same thing that the “defund the police” movement has been asking for?
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 23, 2023
No, they’re asking to do one thing and using a slogan that sounds completely bat-shit insane.
Show threadJaseJul 23, 2023

And you have directly proven your ignorance.

The “one thing” they want is to take funding from police and make a new service, one that OP described. You do this by defunding the police as the funding for police in most cities is INSANE.

So if you could stop lying about things you know nothing about, that’d be great.

Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 23, 2023
In East Grand Rapids, there is a single service for emergency responders who are trained as police / fire fighters, and paramedics so only one vehicle shows up. Consolidating them instead of defunding them actually improved things.
Show threadJaseJul 23, 2023
Again. You are literally talking about the same thing I am, but you’re being arrogant and ignorant.
Show threadFizzlePopBerryTwistJul 23, 2023
Woah, slow down Hitler. No. Defund the police is not the same message as Reorganize Emergency Services. :p
Show threadTwoGemsJul 23, 2023
And we also need orgs to stop pretending parents and relatives don’t abuse you and that somehow your spouse is the only one on earth that counts as domestic violence.