#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Stereotypical tour opener with a lot of mediocre and a few wow moments. In this case, the wow came in the form of an unexpected encore of rarities.

Not a great night for improv, but we’ll slot it in tier 3 on the back of the old school 2001 > DWD and wild encore.

Tier 1: <vacant>
Tier 2: <vacant>
Tier 3: MAGA Greek1

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

MAGA Greek 2
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MAGA Greek 1

No tentpole jam, but so much great improv and fun playing throughout the night. Puts the lack of good improv on night 1 in perspective. Plus, another encore worth staying for (hope that trend keeps up). Even the Antelope seemed like it had one of the better peaks in recent memory.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

GA1
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MAGA Greek 2
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MAGA Greek 1

Great setlist. And while you can quibble that Ghost never quite got there and the first half of Ruby Waves wasn’t great, you’d have to contend with the second half of Ruby Waves, probably the 🐐 Myfe, top 3ish Tube since 2004, great NMINML, and a surprisingly exciting Caspian.

Ps - Another mid-second set debut. Could tonight be the night Perseid (aka Forward People) makes an appearance?

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

GA1
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MAGA Greek 2
GA2
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MAGA Greek 1

More up and down and flubbier than the previous two nights with some questionable setlist calls. But if you choose to rank this one higher on the back of the massive Tweezer, no argument.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1: GA1
Tier 2a: AL2, GA2
Tier 2b: GA3
Tier 3: AL1

Switching to tiers bc there isn’t much differentiation. Phish has gotten very good in 4.0 at consistently delivering solid shows via a little of this & a little of that. The difference between the hits, the average, and the clunkers is not nearly as stark as it used to be.

Flubby and at times low energy night with a fairly forgettable 1st set, but then a largely dream setlist 2nd w/ great jams in Carini & Sand.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1: GA1
Tier 2a: AL2, GA2
Tier 2b: GA3
Tier 3: AL1
Tier 5: NC1

A brilliant ASIHTOS (🐐 candidate) complete with some mesmerizing drumming kept it off the level of Charleston3, Grand Prairie, and Hampton1 99.

Still, between the tepid first set, everything post-Light in the second, and some out-of-control Trey vocal stylings, it’s one of the weakest shows of 4.0, and I have no doubt it will be joked about for years to come.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1: GA1
Tier 2a: AL2, GA2
Tier 2b: GA3
Tier 3: AL1, NC2
Tier 5: NC1

Solid show with 3 nice jams and room for more until god—in an unprecedented move—made sure there wouldn’t be a repeat of the previous night’s fourth quarter by forcing the band to pull a Costanza and leave on the high note of Q3.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1: GA1
Tier 2: AL2, GA2, GA3, PIT1
Tier 3: AL1, NC2
Tier 5: NC1

Hard show to rank. No true tentpole jam, but a lot of “a little of this and and a little of that.” Not a classically great setlist, but it was interesting and unpredictable.

Special shout-out to one of the few interesting Bowies since 2009. It almost crossed over in to need-to-hear territory, but unfortunately the 3.0 and 4.0 kids still have giant goooose eggs next to their stats for Bowies seen.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1: GA1
Tier 2: GA2, GA3
Tier 3a: PIT2
Tier 3b: AL2, PIT1
Tier 4: AL1, NC2
Tier 6: NC1

Took a step back & reworked this a bit. The consistency of clear highlights each show combined with the consistency of not putting it all together each show is making this tour brutal to rank. All-time ER last night & rocking (if light on improv) Q4 but mostly lame S1 until Ass-handed. And while Tube & Ghost in the encore are exciting, each might be the weakest version of 4.0.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1b: Cuse
Tier 1c: GA1
T2: GA2, GA3
T3a: PIT2
T3b: AL2, PIT1
T4: AL1, NC2
T6: NC1

GA1 has the better S1. Cuse has the best S1 jam (KDF). Ruby Waves & Tweezer are close but one is Tweezer. Encores are even (though I’d take If I Could). GA1 doesn’t have Miss You so points there. That leaves Ghost, Flew Away, 🐐 Myfe & First Tube vs Suzy, 🐐 Oblivion, Wolfman’s & Possum. Probably give GA1 the edge there.

Going with Cuse #1 for now, but thinking it flips over time.

#Phish Summer 2023 #RANKED

Tier 1b: Cuse
Tier 1c: GA1
T2: GA2, GA3
T3a: PIT2
T3b: AL2, PIT1, PH1
T4: AL1, NC2
T6: NC1

Gin covered a ton of ground quickly. Otherwise, lot of cringe (especially vocals) & not a lot of improv in S1.

Nothing in S2 got “there” except The Well which had a jam as good as the song is bad. More cringe vocals and several jams cut off as soon as they got going. Still, it’s hard to deny the blazing tempos and raucous energy as the band soared from ripcord to ripcord.

@chopaganda Piper was electric! If that didn’t come across on the stream the production team needs work.
@noahitall It did. But right when it got really intriguing, they cut it off for a 6 min Crosseyed.
@chopaganda @noahitall yes but it was sick
@Wolfenhaus @noahitall Never said it wasn’t. This tour has been remarkably consistent in producing solid shows. But tell me why last night was better than any of the shows above it.
@chopaganda @noahitall I can’t make that argument / but Well was fantastic.
@chopaganda @Wolfenhaus @noahitall Serious question here: How could you ever use the word “consistent” to describe this tour? With the exception of maybe the Atlanta shows it’s been the exact opposite. I would say the only really elite jams this tour are the Cuse KDF and the Atlanta Carini and maybe the Atlanta Tweezer. Everything else has been average-ish at best. The entire tour is highly inconsistent and severely lacking patience--thanks to Trey.
@Bandino @chopaganda @Wolfenhaus @noahitall ATL Ruby Waves and My Friend My Friend were the best jams of that run, and in the top 5 of the tour.
@kepler22b @chopaganda @Wolfenhaus @noahitall
I don’t think the Ruby Waves was a great jam--just good. I thought it was awesome that My friend jammed, but I think the novelty of the jam is making some people overhype it. I’m judging things strictly on the tapes. I wouldn’t call many of the shows this tour B+. More like a C average.

@Bandino @Wolfenhaus @noahitall Going to dignify you with a response against my better judgement.

They’ve gotten very consistent in delivering B+ shows by mixing in the good with the bad. Though the good has come in different forms.

@chopaganda thank you Chop. But I think B+ is being very generous.
@chopaganda @noahitall The energy and tempo of last night (second set at least) would kick it up at least one more tier for me. Yes, there were some ripcords but I thought set construction was good/great, very few lulls.
@noahitall @chopaganda The stream production team is Tier 1 all day every day
@Stoneycase @chopaganda @PhishDicksRef they were sadly all correct ripcords, in the "this isn't working, let's punt" sense
@mrcompletely @Stoneycase @PhishDicksRef Bingo. Show was still great. But hard to put it above any of the shows ranked higher when the improv didn’t click nearly as well as those other shows.
@chopaganda @Stoneycase @PhishDicksRef Fishman took it up another level tempo and beat density wise so that was cool even without the band clicking around it for big chunks.
@chopaganda @mrcompletely @Stoneycase @PhishDicksRef MAGA 2 deserves better peers, 3x the amount replay material
@chopaganda I think you’re confusing ripcords and buttery segues
@chopaganda Damn I couldn’t hear the words at all in Atlanta. I liked The Well much better that way
@Stoneycase @chopaganda lol, I only like the demonic outro chorus but don’t really need anything that precedes it. Can we make the song just that?
@Phreba @chopaganda If I could I would….with about a dozen new songs 😹
@Stoneycase @chopaganda so true, I’ve become a master of fast forwarding to jams.
@chopaganda we got so robbed here 😭
@ll_rain @chopaganda As someone who was in the venue already when Toronto got cancelled, and on a plane when curveball got cancelled, and in house for second city, I truly share your pain. 🥴
@Stoneycase @chopaganda i’m a rain magnet myself but damn those are some blows ::hugs all around::
@ll_rain @chopaganda There has never been insult added to injury, like there was for second city. We may never fully recover, yet here we are.
@chopaganda I was at Pit2 and it does not rank high for me.

@chopaganda It's hard to argue with 70 minutes of very good improv, but I feel like the rest of the show was basically a go through the motions sloppy no-show.

But the improv weighs so heavily, it is hard to disagree with your assessment. I guess my point is they can do better. #phish

@Backeasyjim @chopaganda only real sloppy moment of the night for me was Theme - otherwise Trey was on fire

@ry_storm @chopaganda

I thought Trey mostly played well. It was an excellent show. A definite 5. Maybe because I listen to so much goose, but I'd like Phish to service their non-improv songs a bit more. They've mostly been short ho-hum versions. There have been some missed opportunities. A 7 min Taste? 4 minute Meat? They don't have to jam them out but stretch them out a bit. How bout a 10-12 minute Steam even? Picking nits of course...you got a good one last night

Not a single show from this tour should be higher than Tier 4. Let’s be honest--the Tweezer from last night isn’t very good and Oblivion was even worse. Wolfman’s placement was great but jam was boring AF and then just an average possum? 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
let’s just hope they actually play well at MSG but I wouldn’t count on it...
@Bandino I say this with upmost respect - perhaps you need to find a new band that still does it for ya.
@ShakedownSax nah--I’ll keep suffering through the mediocrity because I never give up belief that Phish can surprise you with greatness at any time. It’s just way less consistent these days
@chopaganda fuck yeah last night was amazing
@chopaganda Complete agreement on the encore. Surprisingly poor takes on two songs that have consistently delivered as of late. Trey playing 4D chess: let the folks trying to beat traffic off the hook, let the spunions that stayed pad their stats. A win win
@chopaganda think this is a solid ranking!
@chopaganda I was getting worried because I agreed with your rankings all tour … until now. My primary beef is AL2 is too low. It’s one of the best shows all tour right behind GA. I’d have it in T2.
@Nolasox I felt that way yesterday, but think i overrated it in the moment coming off of AL1. Nothing in the first set gets there outside the Sigma and every show has at least one legit S1 jam. The improv in the second set isn’t exceptional in any way vs the shows above it. And it’s most definitely not getting any bonus points for setlist.

@chopaganda (I can’t believe I’m about to say this but…) Mull is actually a really solid first set jam as well.

For 1st sets, AL2 has the clear advantage over last night to me. While ER was a top jam of the tour and Soul Planet was strong, the rest of the set is eh imo. AL2 s2 doesn’t reach the heights of ER, but I it didn’t suffer from a bleh 4Q.

But no matter, we need a T2 show or better, and soon

@Nolasox Yeah. But even average versions of 2001 > RnR keeps Q4 from costing the show points. I’m also giving more credit for the 36 min of ER > Soul Planet (that hurts to type) bc the improv is so much better than any stretch of AL2.
@chopaganda everything except ER and maybe SP were short perfunctory versions. Outside of the formidable 1-2 punch it was a total yawner. They’ve lost their footing since GA. I have low expectations for tonight. Maybe Philly gets them back on track going into MSG.
@Backeasyjim @chopaganda nowadays it’s better to have low expectations.
@chopaganda when do you listen to show to rank? Live? Next morning? Just curious. Miss you!
@Skinnylittlelegs I just look at the setlist and song timings and assign a tier while I listen to Goose.
@Skinnylittlelegs Jokes aside, I listen back in the morning. How much I listen back depends on 1) did I listen live and 2) is what I’m spot-checking matching my memory. The less it matches my memory, the more I’ll listen. But if I’m relatively sober for the webcast and the relisten matches my recollection, I won’t relisten to all of it.
@chopaganda tier 2b for pitt1, average show at best with goos song selection and flow
@chopaganda lol all post 2.0 Bowies suck (and Antelope TBH)
@chopaganda cannot understand AL2. You want to reconsider. I was there, and it was awful. Certainly nowhere near any of the nights of Atlanta. Just read the 2nd set list, it’s a bad dream. No way it equals Atlanta. Also, taking umbrage with your position to not visit Atlanta shows having to do with staying in Alpharetta. No one lives there, Uber is easy. Atlanta has better food in every category you love except maybe cheesesteaks, including Mexican. Come visit!!

@kingofphrance Won’t argue on setlist, but I thought the show was played remarkably well will some fantastic improv.

Also, I love ATL, but I’ll save my visits for indoor shows not in the Summer.