The Giant KoreanWhat's something that's viewed as socially acceptable today that you think will become unacceptable 20 years from now?
FreemanExposing children to social media.
Putting your kids on social media publicly.
HousePantherI agree with you fundamentally. How do you feel about social media that is decentralized, open source, and non-corporate like Lemmy, Friendica, Pixelfed, et? I think these decentralized platforms are much less toxic because toxic people quickly get banned and shared with others. Furthermore, I think that with proper education of what social media is and what the positives and negatives are - including adverse consequencies - could be very beneficial. When social media is done in a positive way, it can be a great way to build friendships and exchange ideas and information. That much said the corporate social media is awful and in no way would I want to subject children to it as it could set them up for psychological trauma with real and lasting consequences to their mental health.
Would still not expose my kids. Anonymity brings out the worst in folks. And social media gets used for bullying no matter the platform.
As an adult, able to practice some opsec, and kcomfortable with their sense of self. Fine.
As kids, mine won’t have access. I have had family comment because we ask for our kids not be to put on Facebook. They understand a bit more now, 10 years later, but only to a point.
I can respect where you’re coming from, and largely, because I feel the same way. I am in no way qualified to give you any paternal advice because I don’t have children of my own. I can only speak to the mistakes my parents made on my brother and I which actually subjected us to ridicule and bullying from classmates. My parents carefully managed what my brother and I would be allowed and not allowed to watch on TV. One of the results of this was not knowing what The Simpsons was all about when the first episode aired. The fact that we had no idea what our peers were talking about left us in a bad way. Now granted, our parents never explained to us the reasons and benefits for doing what it was they were doing so it felt autocratic. If I had to guess, you are probably taking a very different path that helps your children to understand the reasoning why they would be better off, sans social media.
There is a point where you cant control kids, outside influences just become too much… My job isnt to shelter them at that point, but to teach them to navigate a world that doesnt care about them, while also teaching them to be confident in their choices and strong. You cant please everyone, but that doesnt mean you need to be an asshole or inconsiderate.
My older is approaching that. And my job will shift from one of protection to more advisory role with interventions only when absolutely necessary. It is what it is. Maybe my kids get bullied, actually its probable. Many bullies take out their frustration with homelife on others and my kids probably wont have too much of that to inflict on others. Ive seen it first hand. My parents were abusive by modern standards. I wasnt a bully myself (that I recall), but i didnt stand in the way of others that may have been. I was bullied to, probably not as much as others because I’m a bigger guy. But definitely because of my race.
What matters is how you deal with it and carry it. That said, moderation in all things will help. Mine wont be the first to have a cell phone, but probably not the last either. I dont plan to have any parental controls on there, they just teach deception and break trust. So whatever social media the kids are into will probably have my kids on it. The job isnt going to be to protect them from that, but to teach them to manage it and deal with it responsibly and keep their guard up.
CoderKatAlso, has anyone tried to tell a kid not to do something? It doesn’t work lol. What kinda childhood did y’all have? Cause I very distinctly remember how kids were constantly getting around my school’s filters. I remember how many people got stuff like alcohol and tobacco from their friends. Every kid figured out how to watch porn from an early age, too, despite the fact that all these arguments against social media apply to porn (and arguably porn is worse for people simply because of the unrealistic and unhealthy expectations it sets).
I’m not saying don’t have rules just because your kids will break them. But accessing social media is such a hilariously easy rule to break. And kids won’t respect you if they disagree strongly with your rules. Setting a “no alcohol” rule is socially acceptable, but a “no social media” rule is just gonna breed rebellion. Unlike alcohol, they’re gonna be exposed to it every day through their friends. Their friends will send them links in chats. They will find ways around your rules and they’ll resent you for them.
At best, you can just delay how long before kids get exposed to social media and how long before they figure out how to get around your rules. But the last one won’t take long. My parents had stupid rules surrounding the internet and I learned fast how to get around them.
I wasn’t allowed to watch the Simpsons or Blossom when growing up either because they were too rude and adult respectively. I definitely felt left out and kids made fun, but I get it now. Kids will (and DID!) make fun of anything, but I get the idea of sheltering kids. People try to do it today with gun violence. Maybe I feel differently because my parents explained why they were banning them, but “it’s trashy” was at least a justification, even if I didn’t agree with it.
TakatakatakatakatakThis isn’t social media. I don’t know you and I can’t pretend to know you. This is a discussion board/ bulletin board/ forum dressed in new clothes, and I’m cool with that.
maegul (he/they)Yea this. It’s the cigarettes of our generation. “I don’t know, everyone was doing it back then”, we’ll all say.
And our blind acceptance of it all, to the point of allowing it to replace journalism and politics, will be seen as dumb in the same way we now breath in some cigarette smoke and see it as obviously unhealthy.
I think the dumbing effect it’s having on us as a society might even stop us from ever having realizations like his ever again though
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I don’t know about that. Younger millenials that grew up with social media are having kids and I see them posting about it.
For better or worse, I think social media is here to stay in some form or another. Maybe theyll fight harder to put some limits on it but I’m skeptical
Even when the US was down to like 20% smokers, in some European countries it was in the high 40s. Social media will DEFINITELY stick around. The question is how it’s viewed.
SpaceBarSmoking around other people
justhachI would argue that its not acceptable now.
I would argue that this depends on location
I would argue that depends on the time.
True. I pretty much grew up on the “no smoking” wave through the late 90s/early 2000s and watched it disappear from public spaces.
It was a trip when my dad brought me to Detroit in my teens for a concert, and lit up inside a restaurant. I saw the server walking over briskly and thinking “Dad, wtf are you doing??”. But then she just dropped an ash tray on our table and went on her merry way.
Thats when I realized that the whole world hadn’t signed on to the whole “no smoking in public spaces” paradigm.
Go to any large city in the US or anywhere in Europe or Asia. It will blow your mind how acceptable it is.
Meat eating is a possibility. I don’t see it being universal, but veganism is on the ride and it makes sense to a lot of people.
Countess425It’s just not sustainable. Lab-grown meat is here, it just needs to get to scale, get a bit cheaper and boom. Farming and killing animals for food will be obsolete.
Farming as a whole will still not disappear at all, animal agriculture will change, but will also not disappear.
That is, of course, providing it’s sustainable, which at the moment it isn’t.
This definitely. For ethical or cost-effective reasons. I think price is going to be the main incentive. If its a dollar less a pound for lab grown hamburger and options at fast food outlets - we’ll definitely be there. Real meat will become the new “fancy food” - wasteful and indulgent spending.
My money is on this one. Once we find a more sustainable way to get meat, and that scales to the globe, whatever that method is, I think the idea of keeping animals only to kill then will quickly be viewed as abhorrent.
Likely won’t be as quick as within 20 years, however. Lots of companies currently making a fortune selling meat who will stand in the way of that.
This is the first thing that came to my mind, too. I’m a omnivore myself and admittedly love my meat, but it’s very bad for the environment and I can’t deny the ethical concerns are there. At the very least, I can see low key vegetarianism being the norm in 20 years, where the norm would simply be to not have meat products, and meat might instead be a more niche diet or simply not the norm.
If lab grown meat manages to become scalable enough, I can also see that nearly completely replacing “real” meat. Once it’s at least as affordable, I think “real” meat’s days would be numbered. It’d become a thing only for purists/elitists/exotic diners. I would even expect that lab grown meat would eventually become cheaper than “real” meat simply because it would be far faster to grow and take fewer resources than to grow an entire animal to adulthood.
As an aside, would labe grown meat be considered vegan? I think it would be since no animal is harmed in the making of it. I imagine many existing vegans wouldn’t want to eat something that tastes like meat, but it would be the thing that converts practically everyone else. I sure don’t see why I’d ever want to eat “real” meat again if I could get a comparable lab grown meat that doesn’t harm animals and is better for the environment. That’s just a win win.
I think in the grand scheme of things, if you have to ask if something is vegan, it’s probably not worth worrying about too much. Perfect not being the enemy of good and all that.
Lab grown meat is grown from cell cultures that were taken from animals that were not capable of consenting to donate these cells.
Hardcore vegans will likely still despise it, but for a lot of less hardcore vegan people it might become an option, especially if marketing hides the origin.
IMHO it’s more important that the carbon footprint of growing cell cultures is bigger than that of growing animals. Unless this changes, lab grown meat is not an option to fight global warming.
pinwurmWhen the quality and cost of labgrown meat matches the real thing - we’ll see the tables turn. Especially if they’re able to produce various *cuts^ and styles.
Even beyond that, I wouldn’t underestimate the power of cultural change. From what I can tell, drugs, sex and clearly defined gender identities are all on the decline in the younger generations in the west. I’m not sure there’s any good or clear external force pushing this. I think it’s just change. When it comes to eating meat, it’s pretty easy to start thinking through why you don’t need to do it as much as the typical western diet does, which feels pretty ripe for some form of merely cultural change.
My theory is that drugs, excessive sex and to some extent petty crime are partly a result of boredom for teenagers.
Teenagers today have less reasons to be bored than a generation or two ago. Instead, they’re getting dopamine fixes from social media and gaming.
I’m not sure if that’s related to dieting.
If done right, the cultural climate to change from eating living things to lab grown meat will be as simple as ordering the same dishes at restaurants with substitute ingredients that nobody notices.
And cost. It’s hard to justify a diet change otherwise.
Americans went from eating sheep to cows in the 1800s because cows were cheaper per pound, more resilient to diseases and easier to maintain.
Veganism is popular because it’s still a cost effective diet. Mass farming is compatible with it.
I can easily see “Pepsi Challenge” style ad campaigns where people blindly guess which bite was the real meat - and which one they prefer.
Though, I also see a backlash. In a way that the proliferation of hybrid and electric vehicles created the anti-environmental practice of “coal rolling”, whereas asshats modify their truck engines to produce more pollutants to own the libs.
Teenagers today have less reasons to be bored than a generation or two ago. Instead, they’re getting dopamine fixes from social media and gaming.
I think similarly and have said so before.
Traditionally grown meat will go the way of vinyl. Slowly fall out of popularity, then eventually become a status good, popular among aficionados, ignoring its actual inferiority in blind tastings. Calling it now, in 25 years, most US beef will be Kobe style, “we brushed our cows’ hair and sang it lullabies” and differentiated by marketing.
I was just thinking about it actually - I feel like it’s going to be the sheer amount of caffeine we ingest, or caffeine at all.
Doubtful. Coffee, tea and caffeine in general have health benefits when consumed in not extreme dosages.
And further, have all been culturally significant for many, many centuries now. Surely will not be abandoned in just a few years
Just spitballing, but potentially:
- undeclared AI usage for photos, video, code, etc
- driving old beater cars or even nicer old ones like corvettes
- Being outside during the peak of the day’s heat
undeclared AI usage for photos, video, code, etc
I think this is the one. It’s this generation’s Napster.
Sir_KevinMost modern music is a collection of sounds and samples made by other people put together to create a new track. Then they sing over it using autotune. That has been accepted and normalized by the masses.
Black AOCI’d sooner drive an old beater over even an EV with fifteen million computers that I can’t hope to service myself tbh, and motherfuck getting gouged by the Firestone or god forbid, manufacturer mechanic shops for them to do it. Until coast to coast, America’s cities are walkable, you won’t catch me in a computer’d out car.
Gotta agree with that sentiment. Got an old single cylinder carb-fed bike that I’m not looking to trade for a beep-booper any time soon
I agree with the first two, but the third one will happen only when most things catch on fire during the peak hot times. Workers in Texas don’t get water breaks in the current heat wave.
VaggumonMay not be widely accepted, but it is accepted in a good chunk of the world.
- Being a Bigot
- Being Racist
- Being Sexist
Bigotry is still active, just different groups. Racism is definitely still active, just different groups (look up stats on violence against Asians or their chances of getting into the Ivy Leagues). Human nature is so strong, I admire and doubt your optimism.
Sexism being actively obsolete in 20 years is possible and would be a good start.
Yes, I know they are still active, that’s kind of the point I was making. I’m saying if things go as they look to be, then hopefully they won’t be in 20 or so years. If they are just as active as they are now, or even more so, then hopefully asteroid 2044 takes care of the planet once and for all.
Yeah, I don’t see any of those things changing. I’ve read too many history books and they’re traits of our species, not minor blips.
Well, if they don’t then the world can burn, and I hope it does if not.
They won’t.
The traits you describe are as old as the human race itself, and even with the vast knowledge we now possess, they’re still endemic to the human experience. They’re built into our DNA.
Then the world deserves to burn.
That’s probably true.
The upside is that it’s going to, and most if not all of the human race will die out, but whatever comes next might be better than we were.
pornhubfanexcessive alcohol consumption. I’m not saying I think there will be prohibition, but maybe it won’t be so normal to get almost blackout drunk, or everyone drinking at parties to be the norm.
I can see this happening - maybe once marijuana or other recreational drugs become state or federally legalized.
I think the increase in really good tasting non alcoholic beer and spirits is telling.
I quit drinking last September and it was the best thing for my mental and physical health I ever did. Lemmy.world/c/stopdrinking has so many people who quit drinking for reasons other than hitting rock bottom.
It’s one small thing to be thankful for. At the same time that I started losing my tolerance and drinking went from “yea!” to straight “blech”, sober curious became more of a trend. Any decent bar/restaurant will have a (good!) mocktail or two, and non-alcoholic beer really has lagers and IPAs figured out.
And I don’t feel like there’s any social pressure or scrutiny over what I’m (not) drinking.
People who care that you’re a non drinker are people with problems that you generally dont want to be a part of.
ObiThere’s a spectrum between people actually having a problem with you not drinking, and the general social pressure one experiences when out at a bar.
I would say also the rise of really good alcoholic drinks too. Less mindless drinking, less alcoholism. I agree with this answer, the trend is already started. But think people will always want to get high in some way, do not think total sobriety is likely.
How much sedentary time we spend in front of screens. We already know it is ruining our eyes and our sleep cycles.
I think it depends more on what you’re doing on those screens. I regularly download books from my local library to read on my phone. People used to read paper books, newspapers, and magazines all the time. Same shit, different means of consumption.
Publicly releasing a crime suspect’s name before conviction. Can’t believe that’s legal, may as well call them guilty until proven innocent.