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MetarightI guess you could say Linux fanboys' silliness is...
terminal.
Akidad jokes this early in the morning (in the east part of the world)
Shells offer a significantly faster and more powerful way of running programs when you know how to use them. The “helpful” Windows user is kneecapping the noob by offering a shiny but limiting GUI. Once you get a grasp of basic command line tools, you’ll wonder why you bothered with pointing and clicking stuff.
It’s a matter of choice.
Drew BellocAnd everything can be easily automated on shells, i love how i can setup a task on my pc and once finished send a request over wifi to my phone and use termux to generate a notification
I feel like the shell becomes much more complicated when you want to use configs. At that point it becomes a pain in the ass.
Other than that I agree. Also, GUI file managers are still superior. Sue me.
I still don’t get why people like vim. Like sure, I use it to edit config files and stuff that needs sudo permissions, but in all honesty, if I could use any gui for that, like Kate, I wouldn’t see any reason for using vim. Why do I need to relearn years how to Ctrl+ f or exiting the editor? buT iT’S FaStEr. Really? You spend how long looking up guides and cheat sheets on how to use it and it’s faster? I mean sure, use what you are comfortable with but can you really say it’s that much faster than just any text editor out there?
beefcatIt's like Dvorak. You can be ~5% faster once you get over the turly enormous learning curve. The problem is, for most people, that 5% does not justify the huge initial investment.
Why would it though? If performing an action through the terminal shaves off only 2-3 seconds who cares?
If I want to open firefox though the terminal I can do that, sure…or I can just point and click on my taskbar/desktop. The time difference is virtually unnoticeable.
I can’t wait for “I use dvorak btw” to be the new thing. The final stage after you become a vim using Linux expert
THANK YOU.
I spent time learning vim and using a file manager (forgot which one) but after awhile I realized it’s less frustrating just using a damn GUI. I feel like the time difference isn’t too much discernible. More than anything vim is just frustrating.
When you master the tab key and the mouse cursor in a text editor, it’s a breeze.
The only reason I like vim is because I’ve literally never seen a Linux installation that didn’t have vim. As a result, I know like 5 whole vim commands so I can still technically function on bare-bones installations. And even then, I only learned those 5 vim commands the first time I ran into a computer that didn’t have nano or pico
russjr08Additionally, vim key bindings work in some other places too - like man and less (and most pagers I think). It also works in bash if you set -o vi which by default uses emacs keybindings. Ctrl+x, Ctrl+e (Shift+V in vi mode) to open your current entered command in $EDITOR which is handy for really long commands. Then save it in said editor, and boom - it runs in your shell.
The keybindings (vim and emacs alike) is actually a feature of GNU’s readline library that bash gets for free since it uses it, the same trick works in other places that use the same library like a lot of REPLs and gdb (though those programs would need to expose their own way to change between vi and the default emacs mode).
That itself is a very good reason to know some basics of how to navigate around emacs and vi[m]!
And now for the second time in my life, I’m tempted to learn a bit more about the old gods of text editing. Damn you! /s
I’m new to Linux, and pretty new to Vim, but for me personally it works because of a couple of reasons:
(i) speed. yes, it’s faster once you spent a little bit of time getting used to it. Vim movements or motions just make so much more sense in my mind, and being able to do all of them with few keystrokes feels pretty good and saves time.
(ii) comfort / muscle memory. This kind of ties to (i), where I just feel comfortable with my hands staying roughly at the same place on the keyboard the entire time I’m editing or writing something. Jumping here and there, deleting and copy-pasting, search/search-and-replace, creating-using-erasing macros, etc; things just feel so crisp and effortless.
(iii) simplicity. It is a terminal-based text editor, and so for me it’s distraction-free. I just want to open up a text file and edit some stuff or even do some bit of writing, and I don’t really feel like opening up a GUI text editors just to edit some stuff, or even write some stuff! I use Vim to write almost everything and it feels really good.
But when it comes down to it, anything like Kate or Notepadqq or any generic text editor works just fine.
Why do you need a gui for a timer? Just use sleep number && mpv someMusic.mp3
Why do people even use a Desktop Environment, so many GUIs !!!
DEs are bloat anyway
SorceressAddie/dev/console masterrace
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LastThey really are. I use a tiling Window Manager instead.
RoyaltyInTrainingI actually never considered using sleep like that. Neat!
I use from time to time when i don’t wanna spend to much time doind something like playing games
You can see the characters in the terminal what more do you want?
ikantololI want to be attached to them, know their backstory and motivation, ya feel?
I swear it feels like for a lot of the things I do on Linux there’s a GUI app for it, but then if I wanna do something as basic as adjust my fan speed I gotta use the freaking terminal.
Like it’s always at the worst possible time
zelifcamI prefer using my scripts, but I understand everyone isn’t insane.
I’ve noticed over the years a LOT of Linux users do no have their system sensors / CPUs setup properly. Mostly missing fan information, missing / incorrect sensors and most importantly improper AMD CPU PSTATE and governors. For example, the past few years I’ve had to ensure I had correct kernel drivers and boot kernels parameters for my AMD 5950x to properly use the correct governor and idle at 500mhz and for correct sensor information and control for my viii dark hero MB.
Thanks for this, I was wondering why Linux was using more power (on my UPS) compared to Windows.
I just added amd_pstate=passive to grub, I believe the other options require kernel 6.3 or higher. More info here.
Also I was using this before but for other people, if your it87 based sensors aren’t showing up, frankcrawford maintains an updated it87 module
tetraWith kernel 6.5+, the default is now amd_pstate=active for Zen systems.
I recommend amd_pstate=guided for 6.4+ though as at least on my machine, this seems to yield the best performance/energy trade-off.
I think it’s a matter of habit, really. After using a somewhat minimal Arch install with a WM instead of DE, I get frustrated when an app doesn’t have a CLI version, using GUI now feels less comfy almost
Pastor HaggisThis is part of the reason I haven’t gone back to Linux for my gaming PC. I had zero desire to try to set a fan curve in the terminal.
And honestly with a pretty UI setting the fan curve is so satisfying.
Another thing that’s satisfying is having a machine that knows when it needs to turn on the fan and never needing my input, which would be pretty ignorant on the subject anyway.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or serious. I’ve been using computers for decades and not once adjusted fan speeds, so that function doesn’t seem very basic to me.
MentalEdgeWhen building a system yourself, setting up a custom curve is how you get the best balance between cooling and noise.
I try to choose motherboards that support doing that in the bios, so I never have to worry about it on the OS level.
Fan curves are easy. Set them to always run at 100% and put on a noise canceling headset.
That’s stupid. Why would I make my cat listen to something I wont?
Of course not. You get him his own XM5s.
There’s coreCTRL for and and apparently nbidia-settingfor Nvidia?
AMD GPUs got more tools due to them being open source, while Nvidia’s iskt and you are beholden to Nvidia bothering to implement support, which they often don’t.
Also, idk if I would call fan curves that basic, haha. For the vast majority the default curve is sufficient.
I feel that in my bones.
If I need to do something obscure, like organize your Magic: The Gathering card collection by artist, there’s a GUI on Linux for that.
But if I want to adjust my monitor, I better break out the CLI!
I like cooler control. I hate appimage but I’m on arch so it’s just a quick dive into the murky deep called the AUR.
At the current time this seems kind of untrue. There are many GUIs Applications in the repos, which provide alternatives or are wrappers for many existing CLI applications.
- Perfect for people who dont yet feel comfortable working with programms purely in a terminal.
sorrybookbrokeI agree it’s getting better, but some odd stuff does not exist yet. Like changing swap file size. Still need to use good old DD for that
changing swap file size
Not sure if i undestand correctly what you mean with that, but there is for example gparted for partition managment
That’ll be useful for a swap partition, but if you’re using a swap file instead of a partition it won’t work.
To clarify, a swap file is just a file on your hard drive the size you’d like your swap to be filled, at the start, with zeros. You still put it in your fstab and use swapon to turn it on but instead of a full partition, it’s just a file.
This makes it more flexible, and easy to change the size of or turn it off or on during operation, easier to change the size of (less steps, lower ramifications, safer when it comes to data loss), or have it expand as needed, but is more restrictive in other features while being a bit slower and less secure.
Windows has a similar system for swap called a pagefile.
On linux, while there is a gui to change a swap partitions size, changing the swap files size has no gui. Even though it is, theoretically, a simpler operation. Simply run swapoff, delete the old file, create the new file, run swapon. No partition managment needed, essentially no chance of data loss
Thanks for the clarification.
ciko22i3If there is a well written manual or a wiki im fine with using terminal programs.
But ofc, there’s always no documentation available other than a man page.
tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺There is also that obscure forum post from 2012 that refers to a post from 2004, from someone who gives some cryptic advise with commands not even in the manual that are outdated from 5 major releases ago but somehow still work. Except for one command tgat you then google and find a forum post from 2016 that it has been renamed, but the functionality stayed the same.
Anyways you put it all together and your problem somehow got solved, but you seemed to have created a black magic incantation because now a three headed demon has appeared and eaten your neighbour alive.
I rarely watch TV and I’d definitely watch that.
A manpage is usually perfectly good with how descriptive they are. Not a problem unless you’re really short on time
Avid AmoebaIf you have a problem with man pages, you have a bigger problem.
I have no problems with small man pages. My problems with manpages arise when a command has hundreds of arguments and I need to find a very specific combination.
Searching helps. Open a man pages, press forward slash, type your arg, press Enter. Press “n” to get to the next hit or Shift+n to go to the previous.
This github.com/dbrgn/tealdeer is handy to have and can condense the info down quite a bit in a lot of cases.
(Tealdeer is a play on the original utility’s name tldr)
Agreed but it is easy to copy paste terminal commands.