LG to offer subscriptions for already purchased appliances and televisions, evolving into a provider for “Home as a Service”

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LG to offer subscriptions for already purchased appliances and televisions, evolving into a provider for “Home as a Service” - Lemmy.world

LG to offer subscriptions for already purchased appliances and televisions, evolving into a provider for “Home as a Service”::Subscription fatigue is a thing and regulators are circling, but Korean giant reckons you’re ready to cough up after buying hardware

This is fucking ridiculous! Do you have to buy a subscription in order to use the appliance? If so, it seems to me that this would constitute unfair trade practice. Some shit just does not belong on the internet. Can you imagine the serious and life threatening situation that could develop, if say, somebody hacked into a system and turned gas stoves on and a fire developed? No, it’s time to draw the line at IoT!
You’ll own nothing and be happy.
Fuck it! I’ll be old fashioned and use an outdoor grill.
The people who downvoted you are either unaware of where things are going, or they have no ability to comprehend humor.
If you’re not paying for it you are the product…wait if you are paying for it you are the product.
Might as well just rent a house. lol
Well, point of fact, if you have a mortgage, your landlord becomes the bank anyway. You only get to own it after 30 years, and that is, if you haven’t needed to take out a home equity loan or other line of credit against your home to make necessary repairs.
Well yes and no, in the sense that a landlord can evict you for reasons other than failure to pay rent (YMMV depending on your country) and in some places where housing is hard to come by, a financed house ensures that you won’t be evicted because the landlord wants to make yet another Airbnb out of your apartment.
Even if you have a mortgage, better hope you don’t have an HOA that can put a lien on your house for not paying the monthly fees

It’s true, if you buy a place with an HOA in the US (not living there so the thought didn’t even reach my mind) you have to check their rules as part of your due diligence. I know it’s tempting because the place looks oh so good/the price is low/there are 20 other people waiting but you can dodge some serious bullets of you don’t overlook it.

In my neck of the woods you have to be careful about upcoming renovations that were voted by the “HOA” before you buy but have yet to be funded by the homeowners. You can be forced to chip in to pay for a big reno (exterior walls, HVAC…) even though you didn’t vote for it. But I guess it can also happen in the States.

You’re paying a mortgage regardless. If you “own” you can sell the house and get a huge chunk of your money back.

The only caveats to owning is if your not planning on living there long term or you overpay when you purchase it.

A few years ago, services like Apple Music and Netflix made me drop piracy. A low fee on my credit card to get convenient access to all I wanted.

Now there are 5 different streaming services with atrocious pricing. Apple Music keeps removing songs I like, YouTube Music is flawed and I’d rather not listen to music than use Spotify.

Oh but that’s not all - your weather app, social media platforms, a simple note taking app, Microsoft office, Adobe, everything is a subscription.

Got a new phone? Better pay for cloud services or it will literally start hammering you with notifications to get more storage everyday.

Guess what - I’m now back to zero subscriptions and a lot, and I do mean a lot, of pirated content on my Jellyfin server.

If corporations are gonna be greedy. It’s time to steal some of that value back for us. Huzzah!
What’s your issue with Spotify?

My biggest issue is how they took Podcasts, which have always been open RSS feeds for audio (and Apple, the largest player, kept open and public for decades) and started making exclusivity deals that only work through their app, with invasive analytics and monetization.

My second issue is how Spotify wants me to manage my library the way they believe I should: emphasize playlists, kinda add songs to a library, ignore albums. For instance, on Apple Music if I add 3 songs from an album to my library, I can go to the Albums menu and the album will show up there - even though I only have 3 songs. On Spotify, I either add an entire album, or if I only add the songs, the album won’t show up in the albums view. In fact, the whole “liked songs” section feels like an afterthought they added after impementing playlists, while on Apple Music and most oldschool music library software the song library was the main view and the songs added there populated all other fields such as artists or albums. Ironically, Apple Music is got intelligent playlists that work way better than Spotify’s, with the downside being they can only be created via iTunes which is ancient software.

My third issue is what are the value adds to the subscription as the years go by: Spotify added short videos, QR codes, inconsistent lyrics and digital stores that aren’t even converted to my local currency… While Apple Music added karaoke lyrics, lossless audio, spatial audio (even on my Android), remasters straight from the studio, and more. It’s totally subjective, but Spotify’s gimmicks aren’t worth it to me.

My fourth issue is just the number of tracks that are no longer available on Spotify from my library. Apple Music lost a few, YouTube Music slightly less, and Spotify quite a lot which surprised me.

As you can see, it’s not like Spotify killed my cat and replaced my audio library with a 10 hour loop of fart sounds… But I have deep concerns over their treatment of podcasts, I really dislike their philosophy on how to organize a music library (and they offer less customization than an Apple product, how crazy is that?), they’re becoming increasingly more popular yet their catalogue is actually shrinking for my music taste, and I don’t see real improvements in the service while their competitors keep adding actual value as time goes on.

Either way, don’t mind me - I’m actually now using a huge library of FLAC files on my PC that get converted to MP3 and sent to my phone. Free, no songs vanish, no internect connection, no issues 😄

The podcast thing is not Spotify’s fault, it’s an industry-wide thing.

As podcasting took off, the most popular podcast hosts wanted to be fairly paid for their stardom. An exclusive distribution deal is the easiest way for the podcaster, who otherwise would have to grind their audience with paid subscriptions or intrusive sponsorships.

I also have no interest in the Spotify “value adds”: they add no value for me. Last year I did try to leave, with their focus on podcasts that seem actively harmful to society, but their play lists are just the way I like to listen to music. Apple Music kept annoying me with focus on albums, and iverly targeted play lists, so I did come back

My fourth issue is just the number of tracks that are no longer available on Spotify from my library.

Yes this is what led me back to buying and downloading music again to keep a local back up of.

Amazon music has held my attention for several years now
I use podcast addict. It works.

I get the podcast thing. I never use it, and I don’t think most others do. I’m hoping they just kill the idea at some point but who knows.

The library used to be more straightforward, but in the most recent updates or at least since I’ve started using it again it’s seemed much more playlist focused. To me, this actually makes more sense - with iTunes the “universe” of music is what I have downloaded, with Spotify it doesn’t really matter what’s in my library, everything is already accessible. Rarely do I just browse by artist in my library when using Spotify.

That being said, I do like to add music to iTunes still and sync it to my iPod as I have no faith that Spotify will be around for my entire lifespan.

I’d love to switch to Apple Music. I wish it’s let you add an artist to your library instead of individually doing all their albums.
For the same price, Apple Music provides lossless audio quality, Dolby Atmos, 4K music videos (you can’t even get those on YouTube), karaoke (Apple Music Sing), and a personalized radio station that doesn’t feed you the exact same stuff every week. Plus you can use third-party apps like Marvis Pro with your AM subscription, so you’re not locked to one app’s GUI.

You know my story isn’t very different from yours.

As a teenager I massively pirated everything, became an adult with a paying job streaming was sensible so I paid for Netflix/Spotify eventually adding in Prime video + the occasional thing like P+/disney+ or whatever flavour of the month I wanted to watch.

Then earlier this year I realised I was paying for 6 different movie/tv streaming subs and when I went on holiday none of the services I had worked properly and I couldn’t continue watching the show I had been watching at night before bed and I just went nah fuck this. Blew about 2 grand on a Mac Mini m2 and a ton of hard drives and just went full on Arr stack + usenet + plex lifetime.

It isn’t even about the fucking money anymore it’s just how inconvenient they make everything, I’ve had enough and I don’t think I’m ever going back.

Disney Plus straight up refusing to run anything while we were on vacation just made me really mad. Here I am setting up the tablet for the kid, and then - nah wrong region mate. Even VPN didn’t help somehow.

Yeah Disney+ legitimately made me mad also. Fuck the streaming services.

I think they use the tablet location info to block you.

Sorry, I just want to make sure I haven’t missed anything - why don’t you want to use Spotify?
Even the OS (like MS Windows) will be subscription. I don’t give a flying fuck, as I use Linux. And I have 0 (zero) subscriptions. I feel free, without vices (other than smoking).
I use Windows exclusively because that’s my comfort zone. I’ve been thinking of installing a Linux distro on my unRAID server to get more comfortable using it, because I will never pay a subscription for Windows.
As for your phone you can buy an unlocked one and a month to month plan. I did that about 5 years ago. Phone dies, transfer sim.
What about a VPN?
We have a group of friends who all pay for one family subscription service each, then we all share the passwords. If password sharing goes then I’m back to the high seas.
Curious, what’s wrong with Spotify?
They pay artists the least, fund the US war machine, inundate you with podcasts when you just want music, etc.
Just curious why the hate for spotify?
Did you start with Jellyfin or go there from Plex? I’ve been thinking about setting it just as a backup in case Plex gets shitty.
what’s the problem with spotify, i never used it, but it isn’t the first time i read about someone complaining about them
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Screw you for putting that nonsense out into the world

Sigh. Our latest TV is an LG precisely because LG did not have ads in its OS whereas its main competitors do. Once they introduce ads, they’ll have completely lost me as a potential repeat customer.

Guess our next TV will just be a large monitor, with no “smart” shenanigans whatsoever.

Why even use the LG OS? I always used a fire tv stick and now nvidia shield, which is much better supported as an Android OS instead if an LG OS.
All these “sticks” don’t have good support for domestic streaming services in my country. The native TV OS does.
I’d rather have a dedicated box and a dumb tv, the hardware rarely keeps pace than a box
My 6ish year old Sony was purchased with the built in OS as my least important quality, as I knew that someday it’d be unsupportable as far as new apps, but that a third party box would provide a good experience with a single HDMI. I’m actually still using the built in OS but I can tell that it’s getting slower and buggier, so I’m thinking of getting a Roku soon.
I tried that: they are difficult to impossible to find. I thought I was generous to be willing to pay double, but I couldn’t find a monitor with my tv’s specs for any price
That is disheartening to hear.

Exactly, I’ll be using a big monitor with an HTPC. These “smart” TVs are just horrific anymore with their ads and subs and everything else that’s a money grab. I don’t need any of that garbage.

Right now I have an older TV without a smart OS. It’s hooked up to an AV amp and a couple TV boxes. I dread replacing my TV because of the crappy operating systems they all have now. I’ll have to find a big monitor if I can even find something like that for a decent price, don’t know, haven’t looked.

I just don’t connect my TV to the internet. Once a year I update the firmware with a USB, it’s perfect.

While I agree that smart TVs are garbage, they’re cheap AF because of the ads and other garbage they include. Look for a dumb TV, if you can even find one nowadays, and it’s double the price. They’re subsidizing the cost of the TV with the ads and tracking.

I also have an older TV from 2008, and if it dies, I’m probably not going to replace it. I don’t use it enough that it’s worth replacing.

If you want a large monitor, those are quite expensive, especially at the sizes of today’s TVs. You can get a cheapish 40" monitor, but above that, you’re looking at a 50% premium for a monitor over a TV.

Plug a Raspberry Pi with LibreElec into the HDMI port of any smart tv and never use the OS or connect it to wifi. I can’t fathom why people use the ad-ridden trash these TVs ship with.

Good luck. They don’t really make non-smart TVs anymore.

But I just picked up a Sony and never connect it to the internet after updating the firmware. I have an Apple TV box for an interface. I don’t need a non-upgradable streaming stick built into my TV thanks

Mark my words we are soon going to have to subscribe to our toilets. You get one flush a day for free. Save money by subscribing to the flush-lite which gives you 2 additional flushes. If you choose not to subscribe, you will be charged 2.99 for each flush beyond the first one.
Don’t give them any shitty ideas
If it’s yellow let it mellow. Is it’s brown flush it down. Possibly for $2.99. And unlock your toilet paper dispenser for just $1.99 per every 10 one-ply squares.

I literally have paid a toilet subscription for the past 10 years.

Its the fee on my water bill called waste removal.

Power is a subscription model, you want to have power at your house you pay a quarterly connection fee on top of what you use.

Yeah, in my facetiousness, I forgot that I actually do something remarkably similar in terms of a sewer bill.
There will also be a free tier, where you have to watch adds for a whole toilet visit in order to flush.
Yup. The privatization of everything ends up with every moment of our existence monitored and metered and billed.

This thing with subscriptions has become insane. You can easily spend several hundred a month getting roped into all the subscriptions companies are pushing. It’s the latest way to squeeze as much money as possible out of the consumer.

I’ve gone into subscription boycott at this point. I had too many and said screw that. I still have Amazon Prime where I think I get my money’s worth. I shop there a lot and use their streaming so it’s worth it to me. Subscriptions for appliances? No way in hell.