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L4sBot Jul 13, 2023

A Proposed Law Would Force Internet Companies to Spy on Their Users for the DEA | The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it...

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A Proposed Law Would Force Internet Companies to Spy on Their Users for the DEA | The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it... - Lemmy.world

The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it would be a disaster for digital privacy.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

Simplistic sentiments like ‘combating drugs is good’ is exactly what leads to people to think spying on citizens should even be considered.

I see, I see. We should a drug open in front of the White House then.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

Try harder.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

I don’t understand, try harder in the investigations? I thought you were telling us to stop investigating them!

Let me guess, you’re an anarchist.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

Now you’re trying too hard.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

I see, we’ll investigate the drug traffickers but ONLY A LITTLE. Arrest like 20% of them.

Hopalong Jul 13, 2023

People can consent to taking drugs. Children cannot consent to having sex.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

Children cannot consent to their parents taking drugs and ruining their future

Haui Jul 13, 2023

Taking drugs does not ruin families. Having untreated mental illness is ruining families AND leading to drug abuse.

Glisten6159 Jul 13, 2023

I assume you feel the same about alcohol - the most destructive drug of them all.

Void_Sloth Jul 13, 2023

Since it seems you sincerely don’t understand I’ll explain. Violating the rights of 99% of the population, who are law abiding citizens, in order to catch a small number of criminals is not a reasonable course of action.

In the U.S. we have seen many of our freedoms eroded by policies like this, passed under the guise of safety and security and it can’t be tolerated any longer. Governments must address criminal activity without unjustly violating the freedoms of others.

ElectroNeutrino Jul 13, 2023

So, what specifically makes combating drugs (not specific ones, just drugs in general) good, and how is it comparable to fighting pedophilia? And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

So, what specifically makes combating drugs good?

Did you elementary school not teach that drugs are bad? Just asking, I can point you to another number of sources if you want proof.

and how is it comparable to fighting pedophilia?

Both are crimes largely committed through the internet.

And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

ElectroNeutrino Jul 13, 2023

Did your elementary school not teach that drugs are bad?

I see, so you think elementary school is valid jurisprudence. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

I see, so you think drugs are good. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.

ElectroNeutrino Jul 13, 2023

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

You’re welcome.

BoopsieBoop Jul 13, 2023

I think our government is over stepping their bounds. My body my choice. They aren’t doing this to go after kids. They are doing this to put more bodies in jail. If they cared about the well being of people then they would be making programs or other such things to help people. This proposal to hand over our info is only to hurt us.

ZeroHora Jul 13, 2023

LOL, the argument drugs is bad cause death is a elementary school level of reasoning, the world is more complex than that.

The£0b°t°m¡§t Jul 13, 2023

Now I’m pretty sure you are trolling

LemmyNameMyself Jul 13, 2023

PLEASE do not use the “bUt ThiNk oF thE cHildrEn!!1!1”

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

“Fuck the children” is exactly the vibe I’m getting from this thread. They’ll have a good life being raised by drug addicts and then sold to some human trafficker.

LemmyNameMyself Jul 13, 2023

drugs are much more complex than “doing them is bad” and banning encrypted messanging apps and implementing surveillance does very little in terms of capturing pedos

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

Scroll up and find the part where I said to ban encrypted messaging. You’ll find the following sentence instead “spying is bad”.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

You also said

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

in response to

And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

Keep digging ;)

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

You do seem like someone that wishes they were an autocrat that could just get rid of people they don’t like.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

I believe in true freedom of speech (not the american bastardized version of it).

You’d be fine.

As long as you were not using drugs.

stanleytweedle Jul 13, 2023

You’d be fine.

So ‘I’d be fine’ if you really were a dictator? Because you’d ‘let me’ have freedom of speech? lol- you’re definitely letting your little power fantasies slip through there ;)

LemmyNameMyself Jul 13, 2023

You didn’t say it, yes. But established survaillance can be countered by encrypted messanging apps, so the next logical step is to ban them. In fact, the US has been trying to do so for a long time now and the same excuse is always given - “think of the children”. There’s a video by Louis Rossmann and another one by Mental Outlaw, both going into detail about why this is just that, an excuse. Survaillance isn’t normal and should not be normalised.

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Raphael Jul 13, 2023

America, Smart. Pick one.

LemmyNameMyself Jul 13, 2023

Every country has survaillance, US just makes the most noise with laws being passed. It’s the principle that matters - once other countries see that a certain law allows them to monitor people more closely, they’ll want to pass their version of that law. Australia is basically a Police State, UK also has very privacy-invasive laws.

Raphael Jul 13, 2023

Weird, only China gets called out for it by American media.

LemmyNameMyself Jul 13, 2023

I mean, no suprise there, every country calls out every other country on that. It’s only OK for the American goverment agencies to spy on Americans

markr Jul 13, 2023

I’d point out that this is a classic ‘waddabout the children’ non sequitur, but you already know that.

The£0b°t°m¡§t Jul 13, 2023

Nah, he doesn’t understand Latin

Kitty Jynx Jul 14, 2023

Pedophiles harm other people. Selling drugs that are inspected and tested not to contain additives and are of a set potency would do wonders preventing accidental overdoses. The taxes made off of the legal sale of drugs can be used for education and harm reduction programs.