A Proposed Law Would Force Internet Companies to Spy on Their Users for the DEA | The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it...

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A Proposed Law Would Force Internet Companies to Spy on Their Users for the DEA | The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it... - Lemmy.world

The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it would be a disaster for digital privacy.

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.
Simplistic sentiments like ‘combating drugs is good’ is exactly what leads to people to think spying on citizens should even be considered.
I see, I see. We should a drug open in front of the White House then.
Try harder.

I don’t understand, try harder in the investigations? I thought you were telling us to stop investigating them!

Let me guess, you’re an anarchist.

Now you’re trying too hard.
I see, we’ll investigate the drug traffickers but ONLY A LITTLE. Arrest like 20% of them.
People can consent to taking drugs. Children cannot consent to having sex.
Children cannot consent to their parents taking drugs and ruining their future
Taking drugs does not ruin families. Having untreated mental illness is ruining families AND leading to drug abuse.
I assume you feel the same about alcohol - the most destructive drug of them all.

Since it seems you sincerely don’t understand I’ll explain. Violating the rights of 99% of the population, who are law abiding citizens, in order to catch a small number of criminals is not a reasonable course of action.

In the U.S. we have seen many of our freedoms eroded by policies like this, passed under the guise of safety and security and it can’t be tolerated any longer. Governments must address criminal activity without unjustly violating the freedoms of others.

So, what specifically makes combating drugs (not specific ones, just drugs in general) good, and how is it comparable to fighting pedophilia? And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

So, what specifically makes combating drugs good?

Did you elementary school not teach that drugs are bad? Just asking, I can point you to another number of sources if you want proof.

and how is it comparable to fighting pedophilia?

Both are crimes largely committed through the internet.

And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

Did your elementary school not teach that drugs are bad?

I see, so you think elementary school is valid jurisprudence. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.

I see, so you think drugs are good. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.
Thank you for demonstrating my point.
You’re welcome.
I think our government is over stepping their bounds. My body my choice. They aren’t doing this to go after kids. They are doing this to put more bodies in jail. If they cared about the well being of people then they would be making programs or other such things to help people. This proposal to hand over our info is only to hurt us.
LOL, the argument drugs is bad cause death is a elementary school level of reasoning, the world is more complex than that.
Now I’m pretty sure you are trolling
PLEASE do not use the “bUt ThiNk oF thE cHildrEn!!1!1”
“Fuck the children” is exactly the vibe I’m getting from this thread. They’ll have a good life being raised by drug addicts and then sold to some human trafficker.
drugs are much more complex than “doing them is bad” and banning encrypted messanging apps and implementing surveillance does very little in terms of capturing pedos
Scroll up and find the part where I said to ban encrypted messaging. You’ll find the following sentence instead “spying is bad”.

You also said

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

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And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

Combating drugs is good, spying is not good, you need a very transparent law that tackles the issue in a smart way.

Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

Keep digging ;)

You do seem like someone that wishes they were an autocrat that could just get rid of people they don’t like.

I believe in true freedom of speech (not the american bastardized version of it).

You’d be fine.

As long as you were not using drugs.

You’d be fine.

So ‘I’d be fine’ if you really were a dictator? Because you’d ‘let me’ have freedom of speech? lol- you’re definitely letting your little power fantasies slip through there ;)

You didn’t say it, yes. But established survaillance can be countered by encrypted messanging apps, so the next logical step is to ban them. In fact, the US has been trying to do so for a long time now and the same excuse is always given - “think of the children”. There’s a video by Louis Rossmann and another one by Mental Outlaw, both going into detail about why this is just that, an excuse. Survaillance isn’t normal and should not be normalised.
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An alternative privacy-friendly YouTube frontend which is efficient by design.

America, Smart. Pick one.
Every country has survaillance, US just makes the most noise with laws being passed. It’s the principle that matters - once other countries see that a certain law allows them to monitor people more closely, they’ll want to pass their version of that law. Australia is basically a Police State, UK also has very privacy-invasive laws.
Weird, only China gets called out for it by American media.
I mean, no suprise there, every country calls out every other country on that. It’s only OK for the American goverment agencies to spy on Americans
I’d point out that this is a classic ‘waddabout the children’ non sequitur, but you already know that.
Nah, he doesn’t understand Latin
Pedophiles harm other people. Selling drugs that are inspected and tested not to contain additives and are of a set potency would do wonders preventing accidental overdoses. The taxes made off of the legal sale of drugs can be used for education and harm reduction programs.
combatting drugs is bad. it leads to a black market and unreliable product, resulting in overdoses & deaths
A drug addict does not make any contributions to society, he’s the living dead.
Funny how alcohol addicts are allowed to participate in society normally though.
Alcohol, cigars and then… cocaine, LSD, crack? Are you honestly making this comparison?

The fact that you put LSD between cocaine and crack made me literally lol.

You’ve clearly lived a very sheltered life and get all of your information on drugs from entertainment media.

Maye LSD is “less bad” than the others, fine. I’m not a drug connoisseur.
Do you consider medical professionals to be ‘drug connoisseurs’?
More like drug sommeliers if we are going to utilize the analogy to its fullest /s

That was obvious when you posted cocaine then crack.

It showed that not only are you not a connoisseur, but your understanding of drugs is most likely mainstream fiction and copaganda regurgitated as news.

Crack is just cocaine that has been processed so you can smoke it instead of snorting or injecting it.

Disclaimer: don’t Fuck around with cocaine, it dumps your dopamine and eventually makes it impossible to feel happiness outside of continued use, and the use diminishes in its dopamine dumps

Disclaimer: don’t Fuck around with cocaine, it dumps your dopamine and eventually makes it impossible to feel happiness outside of continued use, and the use diminishes in its dopamine dumps

Thank you for agreeing with my anti-drug agenda. You are correct in this sentence, we must ban cocaine immediately and persecute anyone involved in its production and distribution.

I wish you a long life, dear friend, even though I know you’ll die young.

I wish you a long life, dear friend, even though I know you’ll die young.

Did you just threaten that user or are you accusing them of using illicit substances because they possess medical knowledge of the effects of cocaine?

Locking people in cages hasn’t fixed the problem yet

Even if I thought you were gonna go home and kill yourself tonight, I wouldn’t feel the compulsive need to rub it in your face.

I think you should probably work that all out with a therapist. It sounds like you probably have some CPTSD from growing up in an unstable environment due to parental drug abuse.

I’ve found this channel to be particularly useful to me in my journey.

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not a drug connoisseur.

wants all drugs banned because “drugs > bad”

  • alcohol deaths per year: 140,000
  • tobacco deaths per year: 480,000
  • cocaine deaths per year: 15,000 (including crack)
  • opioid deaths per year: 68,000
  • LSD deaths per year: 0
  • cannabis deaths per year: 0

Our drug war is a fucking farce. It is, and always has been, a fascist culture war.

Now we’re talking, I like to see numbers and data. You’re clearly different from the others here.

Now go a biiit further and check usage statistics for alcohol, cocaine and opioids. Is it the same number of people using all three?

No thanks. But you go right ahead.

Now, now, I wonder how many dozens of millions of people are using cocaine each year.

Cocaine is not particularly dangerous. Oddly enough opioids are safe if, and only if, the user knows the specific opioid being used and it’s actual purity and doesn’t use improper techniques to use it. It doesn’t usually kill or cause major medical issues if the dosage and purity are known and clean needles are used. Alcohol is a medical issue at basically any dosage. There is no safe way to consume it. Tobacco is in the same category: all use is harmful, smoking is excessively harmful.

The point is we tolerate obviously harmful drugs, some of us refuse to admit they are drugs, or put them in some category where they should not be considered when discussing drug abuse. Why do people do this? As I said, it seems very much to be a cultural issue. Alcohol and tobacco, by far our most lethal drug abuse problems, are accepted as part of ‘our’ culture. By ‘our’ I mean the dominant European Christian culture- white people. The ‘bad’ drugs are all associated with ‘outsiders’, people not part of the dominant culture. Quite obviously also this cultural categorization is racist bullshit. White people are just as likely to be using the ‘bad’ drugs as non white people. So it’s an ideological campaign to justify what has become a corrupt government/capitalist ‘complex’. The failed drug war pumps billions of dollars into the private sector. There is no motivation to stop what is a quite successful system as far as the recipients of all that loot are concerned.

But certainly just simply adopting a harm reduction approach instead of continuing the idiocy of criminalization cannot be taken seriously. After all we cannot compare cigars to LSD.

Cocaine is not particularly dangerous.

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