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Francis Rubio 
“One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is really very simple and doesn't require religion at all.”—Arthur C. Clarke
shadowdancer@teacherbuknoy so do God and spirituality. They are independent of religion
Emeritus Prof Christopher MayI agree with this completely - thanks for sharing
Catweazle@teacherbuknoy, Religion has only turned morality into hypocrisy and ignorance
Turdus Merula
OBELIKS@teacherbuknoy They don't automatically assume, it is taught. If not directly saying this, religion has this ingrained. As always it's us vs. them, we are moral, others are not because they believe wrong stuff.
And they say it so confidently, as an atheist I was at the recieving end. And to add, it was my GF at that time that said it. She should know my moral compass.
And they say it so confidently, as an atheist I was at the recieving end. And to add, it was my GF at that time that said it. She should know my moral compass.
chris@teacherbuknoy @aral I don't know what
Clark's simple basis for morality was referring to here, but for me, it's
empathy. And it's a much better basis than "sky daddy is going to give
you infinite punishment for a finite number of transgressions."
My usual argument against corporal punishment of children is that it teaches
the wrong lesson. It teaches them not to do the right thing for the right
reason, but rather, to do whatever will lead to them not being punished.
The same reasoning is even tighter when applied to morality based on
punishment from some sky daddy. FWIW, I suspect that the archetype of
the punishing "sky daddy" was invented after absolute monarchy was invented,
because He acts with the caprice of a Mesopotamian lugal, or an Egyptian
pharaoh, or a Louis XIV. In other words,
King Hammurabi said "let us make God in our own image." Or maybe it was
Sargon who said that. He has a birth story really similar to Moses, after all.
We'll never know who said it, but I bet somebody did.
Clark's simple basis for morality was referring to here, but for me, it's
empathy. And it's a much better basis than "sky daddy is going to give
you infinite punishment for a finite number of transgressions."
My usual argument against corporal punishment of children is that it teaches
the wrong lesson. It teaches them not to do the right thing for the right
reason, but rather, to do whatever will lead to them not being punished.
The same reasoning is even tighter when applied to morality based on
punishment from some sky daddy. FWIW, I suspect that the archetype of
the punishing "sky daddy" was invented after absolute monarchy was invented,
because He acts with the caprice of a Mesopotamian lugal, or an Egyptian
pharaoh, or a Louis XIV. In other words,
King Hammurabi said "let us make God in our own image." Or maybe it was
Sargon who said that. He has a birth story really similar to Moses, after all.
We'll never know who said it, but I bet somebody did.
Chris (He/Him)@teacherbuknoy the funny thing is that most the kindest and most empathetic people I engage with are generally non-religous.
Mora L. Apostel 🏴☠️@teacherbuknoy I want to share it a thousand times
AJ@teacherbuknoy The basis of religions is to exercise connection with gods and deities, which is cool, but why this has been so traditionally indoctrinated with morals has always been a bit strange to me.
But at the same time, some are also about exercising connection of the mind and mindfulness, and your morals will be influenced heavily by them.
It’s an interesting conversation.
FreediverX@teacherbuknoy
Organized religion is the antithesis of morality.
Organized religion is the antithesis of morality.
Søren Frølich
Theosuwb@teacherbuknoy absolutely! It is an innate trait. Thank you for the follow back Alli! 👍👋
@teacherbuknoy sorry Allie, I misspelled your name earlier!
Duncan Wilcock@teacherbuknoy
What do you do for moral education of your children?
Honest question I have been contemplating lately for my 5yo boy.
VelteropⓐⓊ🪂🇪🇺🇳🇱🇬🇧🇩🇪@teacherbuknoy
The coming-out of increasing numbers of atheists and theoskeptics unsettles those who believe they are truly devout. It makes them nervous and insecure. Their paradoxical response often is to lash out, and/or to support egregiously unethical people like Trump, for instance.
The coming-out of increasing numbers of atheists and theoskeptics unsettles those who believe they are truly devout. It makes them nervous and insecure. Their paradoxical response often is to lash out, and/or to support egregiously unethical people like Trump, for instance.
Tom Swerts@teacherbuknoy
I asked a generative AI model the following question.
'Where can people go to to find morality and spirituality outside of religion?'
https://poe.com/s/dW6JStdfWtRrpuX47hxq
I personally mostly agree with bullet nr. 5 'Through community service and social justice work'.
Mainly because it's somewhat centrally organized.
What are some other types of centrally organized ways to give morality and spirituality?
I asked a generative AI model the following question.
'Where can people go to to find morality and spirituality outside of religion?'
https://poe.com/s/dW6JStdfWtRrpuX47hxq
I personally mostly agree with bullet nr. 5 'Through community service and social justice work'.
Mainly because it's somewhat centrally organized.
What are some other types of centrally organized ways to give morality and spirituality?
