This one cuts deep:
The modern condition is mostly trying to do things on your own that people have historically achieved with a large support network and wondering why you're tired all the time.

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“Rugged Individualism" has a big downside.

@jcct @earthshine @woozle "Rugged individualism" is just how Americans say "I don't do chores".
@jcct @earthshine @woozle well, for a lot of us, it can't possibly exist. But yeah, it's a great feeling not living up to an ideal, just by being yourself.
@earthshine the modern condition aka the condition of coastal big city Americans
@lain @earthshine it's the case in rural places too (source: been there, done that), let's not start this pointless distinction without a (significant) difference eh
@lain @earthshine It can happen in rural or inland America as well. It just might not be related to “hustle culture.” Instead, it may pertain to getting mental healthcare, paying down a debt, asking for advice on family matters, etc. US society encourages individualism.
@lain @earthshine no, this is everywhere
@ellenor2000 @lain @earthshine Right. The USA is only one example of this, which is caused not by local values, but by modernism displacing the relevance of deep-seated ancient institutions (such as religion), while promoting egoic personal responsibility, then being undermined in turn by postmodernism pointing out the catastrophic failures of modernity (such as corruption within ostensibly rational institutions such as implementations of democracy). Individuals have nothing left to rely on.
@tartley @lain @earthshine Where do you get your water?
@ellenor2000 @lain @earthshine (the surreal, anti-authoritarian, fourth wall breaking comedy of Monty Python being itself an absolutely prime example of the transition from a rational, hierarchical modernity, to a cynical, rebellious postmodernism.)
@ellenor2000 @lain @earthshine Hence the rise in facism, which seeks to redress modernity's failings by regressing to the "proven" social structures of earlier times. These may be hideously unjust on several axes, but many people on middling rungs or higher derived great meaning from being embedded in a dense social fabric & knowing thier place in the world. Meaning that modernity does not provide.
@ellenor2000 @lain @earthshine and the buzz in progressive circles about the alternative approach of "metamodernism", which attempts to blend the strengths of the ancient, the modern & the postmodern, to produce an outlook on life around which we could perhaps structure societies that can provide for both our material and emotional wants.
@earthshine The one thing I find most intriguing about the Fediverse is that people have or find revelations about why modern life is such a struggle all the time.

@the_Effekt: You see, in Fediverse, we get to figure out the exact intricate details of how life sucks as a collective, we don't force everybody to figure all the suckiness out by themselves.

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@riley @earthshine Yes exactly. No one is forcing us to wear rose colored glasses here, and that's the way it should be.
@earthshine 100%. and even worse for those experiencing racism or other forms of discrimination— they don’t have the large support system AND the rules of the rest of society don’t apply to them.
@rockybandit @earthshine With respect, I disagree with your belief that marginalized people don’t have support systems. Marginalized individuals can have massive support systems rooted in community. It’s how we survive the absence of social equity.
@jdeseo @earthshine It’s ok to disagree. Of course disenfranchised people have support systems — but not all support systems are created equally, which is my point. . Oppressed people living here on Chicago’s south and west sides would concur.

@rockybandit If we're talking about disenfranchisement, then I'd have to agree with you. Gerrymandering, asinine requirements on voter registration, deliberately bad Election Day scheduling, etc, totally screw BIPOC communities. And you're right: advocacy groups can be worn thin or otherwise prevented from helping.

If we're talking about other forms of marginalization, then I'll ask you to see my earlier post. 🙂

@jdeseo yes the former. i’m sure there are other examples too. nice to find the middle ground.
@earthshine as someone raising children this one cuts deep  there is a lot of truth in the saying “it takes a village.”
@earthshine I wonder if the whole individualistic pressure in the US is meant to divide us so we're weaker and easier to control.
@earthshine @tk eh. The delusional idea that anyone can “do it alone” is insulation from progressive ideas.
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I try to explain to people sometimes that Isolating and stressing you out is inherently profitable to capitalism. Capitalism is at all times trying to undermine your personal relationships, because you will have to pay a capitalist with more of your own resources to make up the loss, and the stress of it will drive you to yet more consumer products.
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50 unhappy stressed out isolated households without much local community consume a lot more stuff than exact same number of people across 15 larger co-operative or multi-generational households with a stronger local community.

Proper support networks make for happier more balanced people with more time to appreciate their lives. Happy people often also do more creative things, and not bury stresses in impulse/status buys and consumer soothing purchase behaviour.

Many things we're conditioned towards, seem better for capital than for humans.
@earthshine yes I'm pretty much alone most of the time these days.

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Perhaps competition & capitalism are NOT the way to go?

@earthshine He's a smart guy, writes good software too.
@earthshine I once had a manager, a single woman, that was determined to be a superwoman. She was VP of where we worked. She was also going to be a single super-mom, so she got herself pregnant without the father's awareness, had the baby, and discovered that the only way she could be Superwoman/Super-Mom was...to have her mother take care of her child.
That poor kid.
@earthshine Yep. Every musician is now a producer, an engineer, a mixer, a masterer, an A&R rep, a manager, a social media manager, a non-music content creator, etc. And by necessity!
@earthshine It's weird how instead of having actual support networks again what most "RETURN" types mean is "let's roll back women's rights two hundred years and starve every urban area".
@earthshine I'm only tired because nobody is able/willing to do anything *CORRECTLY,* which means I have to to the job over, which takes longer than my doing it myself, right, the first time.
So, why do double work?
#GenXers
@earthshine you mean how I feel like a total idiot because I'm building and running my own saas and struggling with international tax issues that I can't solve by myself.
@earthshine having a kid with a minimal family support network is tough yo. No babysitter takes some creative work scheduling.

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I solve this problem by chiefly striving to do things nobody in the past would even have attempted, and most today wouldn't consider reasonable.

@earthshine I mean let's make a large support network, who's with me
@earthshine a large support network can definitely be nice, but it is also necessarily a large obligation network
@earthshine take napoleon for instance. He was not a working class hero. He was Italian aristocracy that took over the French government.
@earthshine given that I recently became a parent, this totally makes sense to me!
@earthshine @TicklishHoneyBee see also me traveling around the world and being literally incapable of asking for help from anyone lest I be a burden to them
@earthshine see also, glorification of busyness 🙃
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It's lonely and arduous. Even in my mother's day, more people stayed close to home all their lives. They had big family dinners and helped with each other's children. But when we were grown, my cousins were spread all over the US.
@earthshine I just wish I had help mowing my yard.
@earthshine One of my (unpopular?) opinions is that having to do everything yourself is a net negative on freedom, despite what "rugged individualists" believe.
@earthshine The converse of this is people pointing out how productive certain rich people are and saying "they have the same 24 hour days that you do."
@earthshine It took me a long time to learn that professionals have staff and work at it full time, and baking is my HOBBY.
@earthshine what's a support network and how do I get one?
@earthshine This. So painfully, painfully true.
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Damn, that's profound.
This one cuts deep:
The modern condition is mostly trying to do things on your own that people have historically achieved with a large support network and wondering why you're tired all the time.
@earthshine becoming a parent really drove this home for me.
@earthshine Because our cultural support networks are gatekept and kept exclusive to people who are good at the game of capitalism for the explicit and sole reason that if people are supported just because they're living human beings, they might try something crazy like trying to opt out of the game. So if we don't keep poverty as a living hell to abandon dissenters to it'll mean the end of society!! We'll all be equally poor!! You won't even be able to buy the power over life and death anymore!
@earthshine on the other hand, there’s far more things that we used to have to do for ourselves, from growing food to building our own houses, from making and mending clothes to the education of our children.
@earthshine how could I forget firewood, fresh water, waste disposal. Worrying about crop failure, plague, foreign invasion. It’s a long list.
I can’t prove we’re not more tired than our ancestors, but I strongly doubt it. Life has never been easy except for a few. There’s a reason the leisured class was called the leisured class.