@cykonot

@vegan @Resister

it's not necessarily cheaper than the sad, and you can definitely have a less healthy diet that is also vegan. and, again, it's not necessarily any better for the planet nor does it help animals at all.

@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister not holding animals in way to small spaces where they really can't move or turn around and killing them doesn't help them? and many countries have water shortages, specially in summer, even in europe, and you need 4-15k liter water for 1 kilo beef. How wouldn't it be better for the planet to not waste it? Not even talkin about how meat production is the 2nd biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions..

@hriday
being vegan doesn't stop animals from being held. it doesn't change how they're treated on farms. it doesn't do anything for animals.
@vegan @cykonot @Resister

@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister dude are you saying if ppl eat less meat there would be as many animals held as now?? whatever you took gime some of it.. Also there can be two very different ways of holding animals, but you kno probably all that and are jus trying to propagate your obsession with meat.

@hriday @bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister
That is actually happening in germany right now. People are eating less meat and thus the amount of pigs being held is shrinking.
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/schweinebestand-deutschland-100.html

@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

more pigs are being killed elsewhere. no fewer pigs are killed at all

@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday Can you provide proof for this claim?

@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday How does this show that the number would not be higher, if the amount of pigs was not shrinking in germany? There are litterally less pigs being held, because of reduced consumption, than there would be otherwise. These animals were never born, will never be in a cage, will never be tortured, will never be slaughtered. Because they don't exist at all.

@django
you can't prove a counterfactual. you can't prove whether there would be more pigs than that. you can only prove that there are more pigs now than before being killed so being vegan hasn't reduced that.
@vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday So, if every country would reduce their pig slaughtering, because more people would eat less meat, wouldn't then the overall number reduce?

@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

i don't think that's likely to happen, but probably. do you have a plan to make that happen?