@Resister

@vegan

vegan food is not necessarily cheaper.

it's not necessarily better for the planet.

it does no good for animals.

you can't be sure it's better for anyone's health.


I could wish you were right, but you're over-promising.

@bigMouthCommie @vegan @Resister as a rule it's all those things vs the sad.

Cope harder

@cykonot

@vegan @Resister

it's not necessarily cheaper than the sad, and you can definitely have a less healthy diet that is also vegan. and, again, it's not necessarily any better for the planet nor does it help animals at all.
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister not holding animals in way to small spaces where they really can't move or turn around and killing them doesn't help them? and many countries have water shortages, specially in summer, even in europe, and you need 4-15k liter water for 1 kilo beef. How wouldn't it be better for the planet to not waste it? Not even talkin about how meat production is the 2nd biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions..
@hriday
being vegan doesn't stop animals from being held. it doesn't change how they're treated on farms. it doesn't do anything for animals.
@vegan @cykonot @Resister
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister dude are you saying if ppl eat less meat there would be as many animals held as now?? whatever you took gime some of it.. Also there can be two very different ways of holding animals, but you kno probably all that and are jus trying to propagate your obsession with meat.
@hriday @bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister
That is actually happening in germany right now. People are eating less meat and thus the amount of pigs being held is shrinking.
https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/schweinebestand-deutschland-100.html
Schweinebestand geht weiter deutlich zurück

In Deutschland werden so wenig Schweine gehalten wie seit der Wiedervereinigung nicht mehr. Die Zahl der Betriebe ist binnen eines Jahres um fast elf Prozent eingebrochen. Die Haltung ist oft unwirtschaftlich geworden.

tagesschau.de
@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

more pigs are being killed elsewhere. no fewer pigs are killed at all
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday Can you provide proof for this claim?
Meat production

Expressed in tonnes. Includes cattle, poultry, sheep/mutton, goat, pigmeat, and wild game.

Our World in Data
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday How does this show that the number would not be higher, if the amount of pigs was not shrinking in germany? There are litterally less pigs being held, because of reduced consumption, than there would be otherwise. These animals were never born, will never be in a cage, will never be tortured, will never be slaughtered. Because they don't exist at all.
@django
you can't prove a counterfactual. you can't prove whether there would be more pigs than that. you can only prove that there are more pigs now than before being killed so being vegan hasn't reduced that.
@vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday So, if every country would reduce their pig slaughtering, because more people would eat less meat, wouldn't then the overall number reduce?
@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

i don't think that's likely to happen, but probably. do you have a plan to make that happen?
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday yeah sure, you become vegan, then tell others.
@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

haven't you already tried that? i would be looking for a more effective tactic if i were you.
@bigMouthCommie @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday Of course, there is also plan b: increase global warming, droughts and crop failure, until feeding plant-based food to animals is no longer feasible. I think this one is going pretty well.
@django @vegan @cykonot @Resister @hriday

that seems rather misanthropic. i'm not gonna do that, either, but you do you.