John GruberJul 7, 2023
Welcome to the EU web:
Show threadSimon B. StøvringJul 7, 2023
@gruber These cookie prompts ruined the web.
Show threadRobertJul 7, 2023
@simonbs @gruber and they didn’t have to. Cookie banners are intentionally designed to get people to click “accept”. The _ethically_ correct thing is to not collect identifying data at all until it is required for your user, then ask. Instead we get this. I spend part of my professional life helping companies suck less in this area. It’s an uphill struggle. Most don’t _want_ to understand. Easier to throw a cookie banner at it and pretend you’ve acted ethically. #privacy #consent
Show threadYury MolodtsovJul 7, 2023

@bratling @simonbs @gruber Because it's kind of important to track people's sign up flows and understand what they're doing? Or run targeted ads to actually fund the newspaper?

It's not like they're running a personal blog here.

Show threadNick TuneJul 7, 2023

@yury_mol @bratling @simonbs @gruber have I understood this correctky?

You’re saying newspapers should be allowed to gather data about their users, without consent, because that’s the only way they can generate sufficient funding (targeted ads)?

Show threadYury MolodtsovJul 8, 2023

@nick_tune @bratling @simonbs @gruber Targeted ads are fine.

https://molodtsov.me/2023/07/why-privacy-is-overrated/

Why Privacy Is Overrated

I’m not against privacy, and I understand why people might not want someone to track web pages or apps they use. But it’s important to remember that there’s a trade-off and be prepared for the outcome.

Show threadRobert

@yury_mol @nick_tune @simonbs @gruber oh. Shit. You a tech VC bro. You have a financial stake in not understanding the harms you are advocating.

Nevermind. I definitely won’t convince you. You’d have to find a new line of work if I did.

Jul 8, 2023 at 4:15pmWeb
Show threadYury MolodtsovJul 9, 2023
@bratling @nick_tune @simonbs @gruber I see your capacity to read and process information is quite diminished to the point only an ad hominem attack works for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Show threadRobertJul 9, 2023

@yury_mol heh. it’s more a case of choosing one’s battles. I really believe that you and I will never find common ground on this topic. it’ll just annoy us both. BUT: Although I didn’t intend a personal attack on you; re-reading my own post, it did have that feel. That’s my error and I apologize to you for it.

(i chuckled at ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ because that’s my favorite ascii emoji too. i have an auto-replace for “shrug”.)

Show threadYury MolodtsovJul 9, 2023
@bratling I have the same, it's very difficult to type otherwise :)
Show threadRobertJul 9, 2023

@yury_mol ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Also, I’ve decided I ought to follow you. I need more of my philosophical opposites in my feed to keep from being too much in an echo chamber!
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