Daniel MoserA large SUV causes 116 times as much road damage as a regular car.
Time to tax them accordingly.
Børge@dmoser I'd love a link to more info on this!
Korawich Kavee@forteller @dmoser look up Equivalent Single Axle Load (ESAL) for more info.
https://pavementinteractive.org/reference-desk/design/design-parameters/equivalent-single-axle-load/
https://pavementinteractive.org/reference-desk/design/design-parameters/equivalent-single-axle-load/
Jon Sullivan@kkavee @forteller @dmoser Interesting! I hadn't thought about that. Power laws scale up impacts fast.
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Eric Marschner@dmoser let me guess - same story with these massive heavy EV trucks? F-150 Lightning and Silverado EV?
Ash Leece 🚲🇮🇲@ampitupco @dmoser probably even worse.
Brennan Stehling@dmoser @GoldenDenizen This would be amazing. A comprehensive score could be calculated which includes the factory weight of the vehicle along with the type of tires that are used.
Darwin@darwinrz @dmoser @GoldenDenizen They are welcome to prove that their vehicles don’t cause wear and tear on roads. I would like to see that.
Just JenE@brennansv @dmoser @GoldenDenizen weight vs tires would definitely need to be evaluated. Just because some vehicles are bigger doesn't mean the psi on the ground from the tire footprint is higher. All wheel drive vs 1 wheel will also make a difference with corner wear on the road etc etc. Smaller doesn't always automatically equal better.
Helen@dmoser what’s the definition of road damage here?
Bruce Acton 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦@dmoser hi there as roads are engineered to handle much heavier vehicles how do they do so much damage, could you please send a link to the study please?
PaulYyz@dmoser took me 30 seconds to google the report people. If you don’t agree with the graphic read the report and comment there. https://transalt.org/reports-list/the-deadly-and-costly-impact-of-supersized-vehicles-on-new-york
@PaulYyz @dmoser this report is in regards to the danger for crashes with weight factored in. Which makes sense. Mass vs velocity. The wear out the road factor is in regards to bridges in New York. Not being from there, I'm assuming here, that most bridges they are referring to are not trucking routes for semis. So, yes, a heavier vehicle would wear out the bridge faster. But we can't generalize that to be the same as all roads and all conditions.
Liberty and Justice For All@Just_Jen @PaulYyz @dmoser generally vehicle weight scales to the cubic power in regards to wear.
Ie a vehicle twice as heavy cashes 2^3=8 times more wear.
The new EV hummer weights 9,000lbs and the Accord 2,900lbs. So we should expect the EV Hummer to do 27 times more road wear than an accord. And pay 27times more taxes for upkeep
@dmoser hi it’s been awhile since I looked at pavement deterioration curves, but my recollection was for light vehicles (even hummers) have little impact on pavement life. High temperatures and overloaded heavy vehicles beat the hell out of road life. Anyways looking forward to reading that info, I did a bunch of pavement life calculations years ago. Thanks
George@dmoser how does it compare to my bicycle?
A Wolf In Cheap Clothing@dmoser
A hummer isn't a SUV it's a tank.
A hummer isn't a SUV it's a tank.
SJP O'Neill@dmoser go after the real big fish...a heavy truck does 20k times the damage to a road than a normal car.
Source: GHD to Ruapehu District Council
johnnysilverhand@dmoser bicycle 🚲
CoolFrog@dmoser source for data?
D@dmoser or just ban them. I can't think of a single reason someone would need an SUV that isn't be better served by a different class of vehicle (perhaps one that's been SUVed out of existence.)
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Hans 🍀@dmoser
I'm afraid, Insurance rates will not reflect this number. That is a completely wrong policy.
I'm afraid, Insurance rates will not reflect this number. That is a completely wrong policy.