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WhirledPeas Jul 6, 2023

“The clean energy subsidies that undergird President Joe Biden’s climate agenda have just prompted one Norwegian manufacturer to choose Michigan, not Europe, as the site of a nearly $500M factory that will produce the equipment needed to extract hydrogen from water.”
😀 Biden is smashing it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/05/biden-hydrogen-europe-00104024

Biden’s hydrogen bombshell leaves Europe in the dust

The EU is investing billions into becoming a green energy superpower. But Washington’s Inflation Reduction Act means it’s the U.S. reaping the rewards.

POLITICO

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@MarkRuffalo 😬

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Kevin Leecaster Jul 6, 2023

@parents4future @MarkRuffalo @EU_Commission @BMWK
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of protectionism, but Russia's invasion along with the pandemic made it clear that it's in our national security interests to bring back some of our manufacturing for some crucial products sadly.

Plus, if Biden helping Americans to start careers in clean energy helps to keep Republicans out of power than that's good for the globe's climate too.

bazkie bumpercar | unfluencer Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo As a European: @#!%& 🤣

@MarkRuffalo
Its important to see the US move towards cleaner energy. European climate policy has become too volatile which unfortunately makes it a riskier and more complex market. Europe needs to step up.

abcderian Jul 6, 2023

“Dung beetles spend hours rolling up balls of dung to attract females,” he said. “But there are some very smart dung beetles that just sit by the side and watch while others do hard work. Then they shoot in, take the dung ball, take the girl and run away with everything. That’s Joe Biden.”

At least, if he's a dung beetle, he's one of the smart ones.... What a comparison.

@MarkRuffalo i read about a Truck that can run by 500 miles with one charge of hydrogen, i think this its a really a game changer

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daniel Jul 6, 2023

I'm just glad that the U.S. is now on the right side. And now please avoid the idiot from last time in the next elections.

P.S.: Thursday night is movie night with my wife. And tonight we watch Foxcatcher. :-)

Solar Man 2022 Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo this is exactly why MAGA is all in on all the other nonsense. They cant talk about the facts, because Democrats provide solutions. MAGA, not so much.

Vincent 🌻🇪🇺 en 🌹☘️Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo If this is to be a race funded by government money, all citizens lose

Evan Light Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo @adarsh Is hydrogen going to be the last leg in electrification? How we store the generated energy long term? Hydrogen separation can occur anywhere. Who needs batteries?

IHeartHockey29 Jul 6, 2023

Are there concerns about effects on our water supply here with hydrogen? I briefly saw some stuff in my news reader that the technology will hit our water supply hard. I don't know enough about the technology regarding its water requirements though.

Can it use desalinated or filtered wastewater, or does it need water that will compete with drinking water?

A. Seth Miller Jul 7, 2023

@iHeartHockey29 @MarkRuffalo salt water is perfect for energy separation of water into hydrogen and oxygen. Dirty water works, too. The gasses bubble out of solution at the cathode and anode of the catalysis cells.

MrCopilot Jul 6, 2023

Tendency confirmed.

https://mstdn.social/@mrcopilot/110663585787108801

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There is a tendency towards a nationalistic "Hell Yeah" as a reaction to this news. But, and it's an enormous but, big enough to alert Becky about... I can't but help think that transporting natural renewable resources across the ocean is a better way forward for anyone except monetarily over localized energy production and distribution. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/05/biden-hydrogen-europe-00104024

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Arwen Incognito Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo except that we will have a water problem. We already have a water problem 😔

Maximilian Overdraft, Esq.Jul 6, 2023

@ArwenIncognito @MarkRuffalo

Not to mention a fossil fuel use problem. Should be phasing it out NOW, not investing in anything that prolongs its use, or dirties surrounding communities as sacrifice zones. What is being traded for this "clean" hydrogen?

DanaBlankenhorn Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo There should be no losers here

cowvin Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo #Biden is doing an amazing job as president

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 6, 2023

Michigan?
Do they have coal?

PlanetEdi Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo I can see where this will go. In a few years time they’ll claim they can’t generate enough green energy to run the business and someone will allow them to burn coal to create the energy to electrolyse the hydrogen instead. 80% of the energy is wasted in the conversion process. Much better to create green energy and use it immediately or stick it in a battery.

Niall Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo if two nations want to compete over production of climate saving technology, pass me the popcorn

Nihl L'Amas Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo hydrogen kinda sucks for a lot of reasons. Unless you have full solar power running the separation, it's a net negative. And whatever solar might be built to power hydrogen production should first be used to max out solar power for our grid.

Stargeezer Smith Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo
Underestimate Joe Biden (as the GOP frequently does) at your peril.

Analog AI Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo ... depending on whether carbon is used in generating the electricity for the factory or not ...

I don't get it. It takes energy to make hydrogen, it isn't an energy source. It is an energy storage medium, like a (dangerous) battery.

This factory isn't a win unless it is powered with an alternative energy source like wind or photovoltaic cells.

emo award Jul 6, 2023

@MarkRuffalo nobody tags a smash like hulk

Dimitriouesq Jul 7, 2023

@MarkRuffalo well said. Getting behind new industries and cutting edge technologies will help USA grow.

Jose Garcia Jul 7, 2023

@MarkRuffalo Biden is playing a blinder

JohnW Jul 7, 2023

Not a fan. Building a factory means manufacturing a ton of materials for it... almost all made by coal. The carbon cost will outweigh the benefits for a couple decades.

It's actually more likely that Norway is using the US as a
crash test dummy to see how it plays out before they proceed.

Crochetcat Jul 7, 2023

@MarkRuffalo Yay 😀 (I’m in Michigan 😉)

Bob Wheeler Jul 7, 2023

@MarkRuffalo love it Mark. Keep spreading the word!

KSev 🇳🇴🌻🚲Jul 7, 2023

@MarkRuffalo “If you take the IRA and the CHIPS Act together, we’re talking about more than $400 billion,” Volldal said. “On top of that, you have subsidies for renewable power and so on. Europe is dwarfed by the numbers we see in the U.S.”

TransitBiker Jul 7, 2023

@MarkRuffalo ok but hydrogen is a dead end… Also uses tons of electricity or uses crude oil/natural gas.😬

Michael Gemar Jul 7, 2023

@TransitBiker @MarkRuffalo Hydrogen will be useful for some applications, like high-temperature industrial processes and heavy transport (such as shipping). It’s also a product that can be produced by renewable power installations that have no grid interconnect, getting around the current huge bottleneck of connectivity. But it’s definitely not a panacea.

TransitBiker Jul 7, 2023

@michaelgemar @MarkRuffalo hydrogen for transportation is a dead end. The term “renewable” is one invented by the fossil fuel lobby. You don’t renew wind or sunlight it’s a one-way system. It’s incredibly energy intensive to produce hydrogen from water. Also where’s the water coming from? Hydrogen as a power source also makes no sense - having to chill & compress also requires power. No.

Michael Gemar Jul 7, 2023

@TransitBiker @MarkRuffalo Heavy transport, such as shipping, is extremely hard to electrify. Shipping seems to be settling on methanol for a replacement for bunker fuel, and that can be generated from renewables (see https://www.et-fuels.com/)

Generating dense carbon-neutral fuel can open up locations that don’t have grid connection, which is a huge problem currently.

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Michael Gemar Jul 7, 2023

@TransitBiker @MarkRuffalo And there are high-temperature industrial processes that cannot be efficiently electrified. These will rely on either green combustible fuel, or on high-temp nuclear. The former is far more preferable.

TransitBiker Jul 7, 2023

@michaelgemar @MarkRuffalo High seas shipping is full of folks looking to adopt sails for even the largest vessels. We don’t need it for that. Hydrogen for industrial applications doesn’t need a huge production facility - most gas suppliers have their own electrolysis plants. We are also beginning to have rollout of SMR’s which will be huge in eliminating coal & larger middling power plants. The other part is increasing efficiency to reduce power needs overall.

Michael Gemar Jul 7, 2023

@TransitBiker @MarkRuffalo I’m very dubious that sail-power will be common — the big shipping firms seem to have settled on methanol as the replacement for fossil fuels. SMRs hold promise, but none have rolled out yet, and between green hydrogen-based fuels and nukes, I’m not sure I’d prefer the latter.

All that said, at the moment I say let a hundred flowers bloom, and see what turns out the best in practice. There won’t be just one solution.

annie gray Jul 9, 2023

@MarkRuffalo
I'm particularly happy about his emphasis on manufacturing silicon chips here in the US. We shouldn't be dependent on other nations, especially China, for such a crucial item.

JenniferADevon Jul 10, 2023

@MarkRuffalo
That’s good to hear.
Have you heard of a movement toward powdered detergent, bar soap, shampoo, body wash? Also bar dish soap? Water is precious. We need to stop shipping it around in products that don’t need it.
Soft drinks, energy drinks etc should be in powder form too.
We need to think of what we can do, which businesses we can start to make a difference.