★ Amy Star ★Jul 6, 2023

1. Meta embraces ActivityPub, federates with mastodon.social, uses Fediverse servers as a "look at all the people you can talk to on day one!"

2. People on Fediverse start following/mingling with Threads accounts, thereby tightly integrating the network effect between the two

3. People decide that if they can get access to the Fediverse through Threads instead of Mastodon, which is for "dumb nerds", they'll go with Threads

4. "Threads will be ending support for ActivityPub on September 1st, 2026 - click here to import your Mastodon account"

5. Fediverse users leave en masse so they can keep talking to their friends on Threads

6. Blog post Eugen: "I didn't want to believe they would go this far"

#Threads #Meta #Mastodon

https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon/110664109379249958

Show threadDuco

@AmyZenunim
1. Meta embraces ActivityPub with their Threads App: "Look all that people"

2. People on Threads speak with all the nerds on Mastodon that speak bad about Threads and explain that Mastodon is much better because of privacy and no ads.

3. Over time people join Threads but also leave it after they understand the Fediverse.

4. A fork of Mastodon looks like Threads and makes switching easier.

5. Meta quits Threads and the rest of their users switch to other Fediverse applications.

Jul 6, 2023 at 5:00amWeb
Show threadSkylar Caulfield Jul 6, 2023
@duco @AmyZenunim as we have seen with other websites people almost always think of mastoodj as an HOA who will get mad if you don't content warn a post saying I'm cold with cw weather
Show threadDucoJul 6, 2023
@skymtf I was never asked to add a content warning to any of my posts nor have I seen anyone getting angry about it on others. So I can not relate to your experience and don't know what "other websites" you refer to. HOA = Home Owner Association? That's a construct in the USA, right? I don't know how they are. But in Mastodon if you don't like someone you can block them. If you don't like the rules of your instance, you can switch.
Show threadPsy Chuan Jul 6, 2023
@duco yeah just like always happens with EEE, you're so right, facebook have no reason to try and outcompete mastodon for users
Show threadReina Jul 7, 2023
@duco @AmyZenunim This is what we in the biz call wishful thinking.
Show threadReina Jul 7, 2023
@duco @AmyZenunim For the record, all the privacy-concerned people would rightfully block MetaFacebook and the people on MetaFacebook couldn't care less about privacy. Like, my own brother doesn't even want to use an adblocker despite me being a privacy advocate and my mother having taught us to be prubacy-conscious since we first got access to the internet xD
Show threadDucoJul 7, 2023

@reina @AmyZenunim of course my Szenario is a positive one in contrast to the negative Szenario it reacted to.

Why should anyone block Threads for privacy concerns? If you don't interact with people from Threads nothing is shared with them, that isn't public. An instance doesn't have to block them, so every single person can decide for themselves. Even if you interact, there isn't much shared.

Show threadReina Jul 7, 2023

@duco @AmyZenunim lol, my point is that you're being naive for thinking that's what'll happen.

Firstly, to address your claim that """If you don't interact with people from Threads nothing is shared with them, that isn't public.""" As long as anyone on Threads follow you, they have access to all your posts except DMs. If you message someone there, they can also access those DMs. There's a lot of data to gather there. Not just that, but if you personally block Threads but literally anyone who's followed by someone on Threads boosts your post, they get access to it, even if you require authentication for API access.

This is part of why instances need to block Threads. To protect their users from a company who have historically over-collected data and mishandled that data.

Anyway, look up Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Historically, what's happened is that big corporations have embraced open standards, extended them, and made it basically impossible to run on your own. XMPP and email are both great examples of that. Corporations want money. There's literally no way Facebook would've followed the ActivityPub standard if they didn't think it would benefit them in some way.

Show threadDucoJul 7, 2023

@reina @AmyZenunim your posts are public. Everyone can already access them, if you block them or not.
If you DM someone on Threads that's an interaction. So my claim wasn't false.

XMPP was never mainstream. Before and after Facebook an Google used them it's used by a small group. History can repeat with Threads, true, but it isn't necessarily the case. And blocking them doesn't make the Fediverse more popular either.

My claim is, we should use them to improve the Fediverse.