Dave Troy 

Elon is such a liar.

1. Rate limits aren’t how you address scraping. Can easily be done with firewalls.

2. He is intentionally breaking the service.

3. No, it’s not because he didn’t pay a bill; but failing to pay bills is also an intentional, strategic choice.

People need to accept the fact that he is conducting a controlled demolition. The appropriate question then is “why?”

The answer is: to warp the information space.

Jul 3, 2023 at 1:02pmWeb
Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023

You may ask why he wants to do that.

Because I know the answer, I will tell you this is ultimately what will be shown at the root of all of … “this”, the great upheaval:

https://iceagefarmer.com/docs/Changing-Images-of-Man.pdf

Show threadAlex AlvarovaJul 3, 2023
@davetroy Dave, who are the real strategists behind the application of this study? Because it’s not Elon. He’s too dumb to get the Big Picture.
Show threadAlex AlvarovaJul 3, 2023
@davetroy WHO the fudge are they?
Show threadSteffen ChristensenJul 3, 2023
@AlexAlvarova @davetroy Right-wing libertarian billionaires and the Saudis have financially endorsed his op, as have a number of American banks.
Show threadJulian GJul 26, 2023
@Wikisteff @AlexAlvarova @davetroy a libertarian privatized the space industry in the 90s and when SpaceX was deemed a failure after their 3rd attempt to get a rocket into orbit, a mystery Saudi donor came to the rescue. I can’t find that particular story anymore on the web
Show threadSteffen ChristensenJul 26, 2023
@JG @AlexAlvarova @davetroy I'll look it up, thanks! 🙏✌️
Show threade_kelleyJul 3, 2023

@davetroy

I'm thinking the best way to handle Elon blowing up my little network of politically active and informative leg watchers on twitter is to join all the platforms and share our content everywhere.

Show threadtextcontainerJul 3, 2023
@davetroy @e_kelley The only way to handle the richest man on earth is to creates lots of spaces, he cannot buy. Democracy is the most prominent of them – this is why he seeks to destroy democracy.
Show threadedgeoforever 🍎Jul 3, 2023
@davetroy The link doesn't work
Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@edgeoforever yeah it does. It’s a pdf file.
Show threadRev. Watt deFalk, O.C.D.Jul 3, 2023
@davetroy
Thanks for this. My first two lessons were that one Joseph Cambell, without a "p," is a scholar of Yoga and Eastern religions... and that the founder of Campbell's Soup was named Joseph.
Show threadJim Jul 3, 2023
@davetroy
I still can't follow how so many fall for blatant lies recently. I've fallen for many, but try change with evidence - Feel silly, try to admit mistakes, and do better next time.
Being duped == embarrassing.
Yes, it's really not new: Religion, political zealotry, cult leaders, etc. But in recent years, it seems like buying into lies is a badge of honor. "THEY want you to believe ..."
How have we not moved past it yet?
Maybe this doc sheds light on it all? Thanks for sharing!
Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@jamesnovak we’re in a bad place. The doc helps explain Elon’s worldview, motives, and the networks of interests underlying it.
Show threadFabrice TshimangaJul 3, 2023
@davetroy @jamesnovak I struggle to see this. I struggle to see (from the last chapter and summary) how the premises, hypotheses and suggestions from that book can be considered harmful, and how Musk or Thiel can be considered aligned with those. At least superficially, the book seems from "the good guys" and although of course Musk sees himself as one of "the good guys" he still looks to me as aiming at a different brand, and surely failing being good.
Show threadFabrice TshimangaJul 3, 2023
@davetroy I mean this really seems to highlight actual problems of the late industrialized societies and I would be interested in reading what is more or less evidently wrong with the analysis. Coming to solutions, it looks mildly anti-authoritarian and anti-technocratic, but probably I can see technocrats and authoritarians getting from it just what they please (probably anyone could, and one could argue this is vicious per se)
Show threadFabrice TshimangaJul 3, 2023
@davetroy I have found this critique of the book, that reminds me of Adam Curtis, but from a conservative point of view https://steemit.com/stanfordresearch/@duanehayes/stanford-research-institute-changing-images-of-man
This an intriguing subject and I cannot form an opinion
Show threadKristinMuHJul 3, 2023
@davetroy can you perhaps give the Cliff's Notes? The book you linked to is 236 pages long, that's a lot of homework for a Mastodon thread
Show threadLindaMarieJul 3, 2023
@davetroy That U Thant quote on the preface page…1969 was my coming of age. I remember his unusual name, as one of three networks played on my family tv most evenings, part of a daily background. The quote recalls the emotion of that time, and those concerns. Seeds planted in the late ‘60’s might now have matured into an ability to clearly recognize good vs evil. Also, an over-all agreement of reality in those days might have been an effective vaccine against “active measures” and propaganda.
Show threadMichał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦Jul 3, 2023
@davetroy why not blow up  in one go, instead of doing this protracted danse macabre?
Show threadAT-AT Assault 🏳️‍⚧️Jul 4, 2023

@davetroy

>You may ask why he wants to do that.

It's obvious: He was tired of the biggest public forum allowing leftist truth to be spread, and so he bought it to crush the best damn way leftists have been able to communicate.

Show threadArcasJul 12, 2023

@davetroy, do you have thoughts about this story making the rounds?

https://fortune.com/2023/06/25/dollar-reserve-currency-brics-brazil-russia-india-china-south-africa/

How long will the dollar last as the world’s default currency? The BRICS nations are gathering in South Africa this August with it on the agenda

How long will the dollar last as the world's reserve currency?

Fortune
Show threadArcasJul 13, 2023
@davetroy, the report is a really crazy monument of mid-twentieth century thinking of those Ivy grads who imagined themselves our enlightened aristocratic class. Oddly, It quotes the comic strip "Pogo" on p. xviii, in the first introduction: "As the inimitable Pogo said in the comics, 'We have met the enemy and he is us!'" In any case, so far it seems well-written and it could be fun to read.
Show threadArcasAug 25, 2023
@davetroy I don't really disagree. But people have been generating great transformation narratives since they first thought of life as non-static, that is, when history was discovered. The scenarios they create can be very similar because of the laws of human narrative—there probably are not many ways of telling the story of some grand eschatogical transformation. So similarities may indicate not a vast plan but just that human narratives have recurring patterns.
Show threadLaura KellenbargerAug 27, 2023
@davetroy that dude has too much money, ego and time. I’d bet $$ also the product of an extremely narcissistic family system/culture … makes for terrible human beings
Show threadJeff CaldwellJul 3, 2023
@davetroy I suspect it's to drive people to Bluesky.
Show threadJeff CaldwellJul 3, 2023
@davetroy https://progressives.social/@chargrille/110649094672889138
Erin Conroy (@[email protected])

So, it seems like not everyone has noticed that #Bluesky is the only social media competitor that Musk never banned & always allowed to advertise itself to Twitter users. Isn't that interesting.

Mastodon progressives
Show threadAliceJul 3, 2023
@davetroy agreed ! I’ve been trying to tell my birdsite friends it’s intentional destruction since day one. The data and information ecosystem are incredibly valuable esp to bad actors, no matter how much M*sk messes it up. Cutting off API access to everyone except people who can pay a prohibitive amount of money, was a big hint for me as to what he was doing.
Show threadjoostetoJul 3, 2023
@alicet @davetroy
Could be, but the longer the site is alive, the more valuable data the site generates.
So I still don't understand why he would want to destruct it.
Show threadduan allenJul 3, 2023
@davetroy
Truth
Show threadDemocracy Dies in DumbassJul 3, 2023

@davetroy The Saudi government (and by "Government" I mean "Royal Family") invested something like 21 BILLION dollars in this takeover.

They're doing everything they can to kill it in a way it can never recover from. They want no more tools to be used in the next Arab Spring...

Show threadKing BeauregardJul 3, 2023

@davetroy

"People need to accept the fact that he is conducting a controlled demolition."

Do they, though? Do they need to accept it, like it's a self-evident conclusion? It really looks a lot more like he's screwing up his own platform through hubris and the Dunning Kruger Effect. I don't doubt that Musk has goals we should all find odious, but it doesn't follow that everything he does is a well-reasoned move to further those goals.

I'm willing to believe that it's controlled demolition if a compelling argument is made. But screwing Twitter up on July 1, and then fixing it on July 2, does not look like a controlled demolition. It looks like he made a decision he regretted and then corrected it.

Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@kingbeauregard sorry, what I’m saying is fact.
Show threadKing BeauregardJul 3, 2023

@davetroy

Can you please sketch out how it is part of a controlled demolition to break a thing on Saturday and then repair it on Sunday? Feel free to explain it like I'm a doofus who is missing the obvious, because I feel like what you're saying doesn't track with the things I'm seeing.

Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@kingbeauregard it’s not repaired. And the new changes imposed differentially select for various classes of users. Ergo, it is a controlled warping of the information space.
Show threadKing BeauregardJul 3, 2023

@davetroy

It seems repaired. I don't see anyone complaining that they're limited to a fixed number of tweets, like everyone was experiencing on Saturday. I'm sure not experiencing any limits.

Show threadwarmoaran3 Jul 3, 2023
@kingbeauregard @davetroy i am still seeing people say theyre limited, hes added a limit, and a paywall if you want to read more. hes broken his 44bil toy, and is now trying try make money off of it to fix it. the damn toy was DoSing itself..
Show threadhelafellaJul 3, 2023
@kingbeauregard @davetroy I am still limited on twitter. I do not pay for service.
Show threadTheRealDeeJul 3, 2023

@kingbeauregard @davetroy Why not screw it up on Canada Day? Is 1 July a national holiday for any other country? Any other significance to this date??

Just spit balling on this & there literally may be no significance.

Show threadKing BeauregardJul 3, 2023

@TheRealDee @davetroy

I mean, I'm willing to believe that there's a significance to it and it's part of a controlled demolition; I just need to see an actual argument (even a broad strokes argument) that seems to hold up.

Show threadTheRealDeeJul 3, 2023

@kingbeauregard @davetroy If you're looking for that, Dave's been outlining it for months & the big picture for years. Along with other people who follow Musk, Dorsey, Thiel.

It takes a lot of reading & listening.

Show threadBodie 🇺🇲🤝🇺🇦Jul 3, 2023
@kingbeauregard @davetroy it's not fixed? Maybe for some people. It is still broken to the point of being unusable for me and I really doubt I'm the only one.
Show threadKing BeauregardJul 3, 2023

@Bodie @davetroy

Fair enough; you are the first person I've bumped into who's saying they're still having problems. I hang out on some Disqus sites, and people there have reported that Twitter is back to normal. But if it's still hosed for some people, okay, it's still broken.

Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@Bodie @kingbeauregard at this moment I cannot read any new tweets at all. The massive numbers of people migrating out speak to that experience.
Show threadKing BeauregardJul 3, 2023

@davetroy @Bodie

Okay, I stand corrected. I wasn't experiencing limits, and people I know from elsewhere weren't experiencing limits.

Show threadBenjaminJul 4, 2023

@kingbeauregard @davetroy This is spot on. A lot of people claiming it’s a controlled burn, but I’ve yet to see a single compelling piece of evidence or even a plausible motivation.

If he wants to control “the town square”, he needs Twitter to be popular. If he wants to disrupt political opponents, then he needs them on Twitter. If it’s data harvesting, he needs Twitter users.

Any nefarious goals work best if Twitter lives.

Show threadKornelJul 3, 2023

@davetroy I don't think he's smart enough to even attempt to "warp the information space".

He bought Twitter by accident, because he wanted to flex.

He's surrounded by a skeleton crew of yes-men incapable of running the site properly or informing him of what is really going on.

He spews 4chan crap, because this gives him a huge applause from the MAGA crowd.

If there's any 4D chess going on, I'd rather bet on him trying to bankrupt Twitter, so that he can get out of the massive debt.

Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@kornel no, he didn’t buy it by accident, sorry.
Show threadKornelJul 3, 2023
@davetroy so why did he try to weasel out of the purchase?
Show threadskryJul 3, 2023
@kornel @davetroy Because the value dropped, he wanted to pay less than his first offer.
Show threadskryJul 3, 2023
@kornel @davetroy Also, Tesla stock value suffered as investors balked.
Show threadBrian DearJul 3, 2023
@skry @kornel @davetroy Which Tesla investors balked, exactly? Besides Musk himself, who dumped more than $20 billion of Tesla stock for his Twitter fiasco, in so doing sending the TSLA price plummeting for over a year?
Show threadskryJul 3, 2023
@brianstorms @kornel @davetroy Probably the ones whose stock plummeted for over a year.
Show threadBrian DearJul 3, 2023
@skry @kornel @davetroy I take it you’re not familiar with Tesla stock or Tesla investors.
Show threadwarmoaran3 Jul 3, 2023
@kornel @davetroy he bought it not realising how much work goes into keeping a platform alive, twitter isnt a small platform. elon was only used to evs and rockets, some of which failed, either the self driving, or some failed launches.. twitter is just a bigger failure. he also spent, a little too much on twitter, so theres that.
Show threadMorganaJul 3, 2023
@davetroy I believe you are correct……His explanations are pathetic!!
Show threadSeanJul 3, 2023

@davetroy it could be that he's simply a dilettante who is so incompetent that he can't do anything but destroy a business that has not evolved mitigation mechanisms to curtail his own deleterious incompetence harmful personality. He likely has the dark triad of personality disorders and can't adapt to his failings to evolve himself to become a better person.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dark-triad

Dark Triad

The term “Dark Triad” refers to a trio of negative personality traits—narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy—which share some common malevolent features. The construct was coined by researchers Delroy L. Paulhus and Kevin M. Williams in 2002.

Psychology Today
Show threadDave Troy Jul 3, 2023
@Sean I’m not seeking other explanations here.
Show threadKevin FerronJul 3, 2023
@davetroy agreed. The facts that started spreading about Ukraine corruption, Biden treason and France falling to WEF agenda isn’t what they want from their controlled opposition