Erin ConroyJul 3, 2023

You should stay away from #Bluesky, not actively help Jack Dorsey make his next billion & build his power as an owner of another social media empire.

Dorsey helped fund Musk's takeover to the tune of $1 billion, making him one of Musk's top backers (after Qatar).

He owns part of Twitter.

He & Musk planned Musk's takeover at Twitter. They are collaborators, not competitors.

https://progressives.social/@chargrille/110286207887749108

>Edit to add Dave Troy's piece https://davetroy.medium.com/no-elon-and-jack-are-not-competitors-theyre-collaborating-3e88cde5267d

Erin Conroy (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Dorsey will be happy with one arm of #Bluesky being used by his advisor Ali Alexander to plan the next armed Proud Boys/GOP attack on the Capitol building - and the other arm being used by you to fruitlessly bemoan SCOTUS corruption & the New Jim Crow voting restrictions, & what he & Musk undoubtedly delight, behind closed doors, in referring to as "woke nonsense." The $ & power asymmetry makes this work for the GOP. No content moderation means no pesky Congressional hearings for him & Musk.

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Show threadRicardo Harvin

@chargrille Bluesky is Dorsey is Twitter is Musk is a fascist platform.

I hope people learn this and stop supporting it.

Jul 3, 2023 at 12:47amWeb
Show threadErin ConroyJul 3, 2023

@ricardoharvin

100%. It's a self-defeating move if you want American democracy to survive. It's a serious mistake and it seems like people are engaging there out of very short term motivations.

@davetroy on here had a good piece some time ago on this subject. https://davetroy.medium.com/no-elon-and-jack-are-not-competitors-theyre-collaborating-3e88cde5267d

No, Elon and Jack are not “competitors.” They’re collaborating.

Wherein I attempt to clarify a number of ridiculous and false narratives currently taking hold about Musk and Dorsey’s “rivalry.”

Medium
Show threadErin ConroyJul 3, 2023

@ricardoharvin @davetroy

The other thing I've been trying to focus attention on, is that Jack's "solution" to abusers in social media - "algorithmic choice" - is intentionally anti-social & inherently biased towards increasing hate speech &stochastic terrorism.

Mastodon's model "shifts moderation to the source, rather than the destination" creating accountability. See https://escapingtech.com/tech/opinions/i-was-wrong-about-mastodon-moderation.html

And the reason Jack re-wrote an analog for ActivityPub protocol was so he could capture the audience.

I Was Wrong About Mastodon – EscapingTech

I said that Mastodon moderation wouldn't scale, it does. The cultural differences will likely continue to maintain a friendlier atmosphere regardless of size.

Show threadKerim Friedman 傅可恩Jul 3, 2023
@sp Dorsey is not Bluesky. He is a major investor and on the board, but the team including the female CEO, have a lot of independence from him. One should be wary, but for different reasons. See my post: https://keywords.oxus.net/archives/2023/05/13/on-beyond-twitter
On Beyond Twitter - Keywords

[Skip ahead to Part Two if you just want to read about Bluesky.] Since Elon Musk purchased Twitter, the platform has experienced rapid decline. Musk

Show threadKerim Friedman 傅可恩Jul 3, 2023
@sp and see this: https://theintercept.com/2023/06/01/bluesky-owner-twitter-elon-musk/
Is Bluesky Billionaire-Proof?

Questions and answers about the new social media network Bluesky that you don’t need an invite to see. First, Jack Dorsey is not an owner.

The Intercept
Show threadErin ConroyJul 3, 2023

@kerim @sp How much of Bluesky does Dorsey own, exactly? Is it a majority share, for example?

If you have a real answer, please share its source.

Also, it seems like you are not aware that Dorsey hand-picked Graber to be CEO.

@ricardoharvin adding you back in as well

Show threadKerim Friedman 傅可恩Jul 3, 2023
@chargrille @sp @ricardoharvin did you read the intercept article I shared? It says the answer is zero percent. It is wholly owned by the team.
Show threadRicardo HarvinJul 3, 2023

@chargrille @kerim @sp Bluesky is Dorsey's brainchild and he's clearly stated his vision and technical goals, which the platform is pursuing.

Regardless of technicalities, Bluesky would not be funded if not for Dorsey's participation in first, promoting the idea, and now actively promoting the platform and his plans for it to integrate seamlessly with Twitter (and yes, other platforms, theoretically).

I can't take anyone seriously who isn't highly critical of Jack, who wanted Musk for Twitter.

Show threadKerim Friedman 傅可恩Jul 3, 2023
@ricardoharvin @chargrille @sp you can be highly critical of Jack, and also at the same time think that technicalities actually matter.
Show threadRicardo HarvinJul 3, 2023

@kerim @chargrille @sp The fundamental point is many of do not trust Bluesky precisely because of Jack's still ongoing involvement and stated goals for the platform, which are proceeding as he's described.

His financial stake is irrelevant to this specific point and conversation.

Show threadErin ConroyJul 3, 2023

@kerim

Please do share the technicalities, which matter to me. To start, what exact portion of Bluesky LLP does Jack own?

What other related legal entities exist? Who exactly owns the IP? Bluesky's AT Protocol's ownership can be different from the code for Bluesky the platform & service can be separate from that.

@sp

Show threadErin ConroyJul 3, 2023

@kerim So, instead of answering or even discussing any of this, you have blocked me. OK.

@sp

Show threadSpicewallaJul 3, 2023

@chargrille

That's the way it goes with 95% of those types. They demand a standard of evidence from you that they are unwilling to meet themselves.

@kerim @sp