amazingrandoJul 2, 2023
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Shattering the myth of men as hunters and women as gatherers

https://phys.org/news/2023-06-shattering-myth-men-hunters-women.html

"They found that women hunt in 79% of the analyzed societies, regardless of their status as mothers. More than 70% of female hunting appears to be intentional—as opposed to opportunistic killing of animals encountered while performing other activities, and intentional hunting by women appears to target game of all sizes, most often large game."

#Archaeology

Shattering the myth of men as hunters and women as gatherers

Analysis of data from dozens of foraging societies around the world shows that women hunt in at least 79% of these societies, opposing the widespread belief that men exclusively hunt and women exclusively gather. Abigail Anderson of Seattle Pacific University, US, and colleagues presented these findings in the open-access journal PLOS ONE on June 28, 2023.

Phys.org
Jun 29, 2023 at 9:32amWeb
Show threadSteven RooseJun 29, 2023
@self @glynmoody Nice post to scroll past while I'm reading The Dawn of Everything :)
Show threadchef 😎Jun 29, 2023

@self
Very interesting.

Not something the average conservative white-christian douche will accept easily. 🤷‍♂️ 😂

#archaeology #hunters #gatherers #stoneage #stereotypes

Show threadrandoinchatJun 30, 2023
@ruedi @self lol you described me exactly 😂😂😂
Show threadMMR NmdJun 29, 2023
@self Never doubted it. There is no fricking way a women would wait calmly around the fire while her kid is starving : she'd go and hunt and pick with the lot. Who doubt it ?
Show threadabekonge (OLD - NOW MOVED)Jun 29, 2023
@self yes please!!!
Show threadSatan - PaulJun 29, 2023
@self Honestly it makes sense
Women are built for survival aka they have more fat, which means more energy in storage which means you can go longer periods of time without food (of course, the topic is much more complex than that), but also misogyny would absolutely portray women as ah so fragile and literally can't do anything themselves :'((( which obviously is fucking bs
Show threadAndromeda YeltonJun 29, 2023

@Satanic_catboy @self it just astonishes me that anyone who has ever experienced, seen, or heard of childbirth could think of women as fragile

i mean

cis guys could NEVER

Show threadFoolishOwlJun 29, 2023

@thatandromeda @Satanic_catboy @self I recently read an account of an anthropologist with an infant, who went to live with the father's indigenous community (in Brazil I think), and found that not only did they keep offering to look after the infant for extended periods of time, they actually expressed dismay that she was focusing so much of her attention on the infant.

There's no real reason a woman could not just leave the village for a few days.

Show threadCallistoJun 29, 2023
@Satanic_catboy @self tbh I always assumed that people without uteruses had to do stupid and dangerous stuff to equalize life expectancy with the risk of childbirth. Only antibiotics and bleeding control changed that balance, barely 100 years ago.
Show threadSatan - PaulJun 30, 2023
@callisto @self Actually that completely makes sense lmao
Transmen are so underrepresented cuz we die both from our baginas and being stupid guys 😔
Show threadCallistoJun 30, 2023
@Satanic_catboy @self 😭
Show threadO! ver Jun 29, 2023
@self I think it depended more on your sight, being able to see far or close, without lenses...
Show threadWolf_BaginskiJun 29, 2023

@olireiv @self This bear was watching a video on WW2 sniper myths, and only one country tried to issue snipers with known-better rifles.

Some of the myths suggest any arguments about hunting will ignore the ranges any bow would be used at. No massed longbow volleys.

Show threadO! ver Jun 29, 2023
@Wolf_Baginski @self Excellent!
Show threadHelgi CrookehorneJun 29, 2023
@self the one depiction of Choctaw by Alfred Boisseau suggests women are barefoot and they carry stuff in that particular society
Show threadYaoi Box BalloonJun 29, 2023
@self Lolsauce some 'alphas' gunna be so mad.
Show threadChristinaJun 29, 2023

@self This paragraph is also quite interesting:

"The analysis also revealed that women are actively involved in teaching hunting practices and that they often employ a greater variety of weapon choice and hunting strategies than men."

So this seems to imply that they were not only actively hunting but were also so good that they would teach others their techniques.

I wonder what changed...did some men feel intimidated? 🤔

Show thread🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸Jun 29, 2023
@Thingsbeyondthings @self
Show threadEliseJun 29, 2023
@self Girl's fukken rok
Show threadSteven RooseJun 29, 2023
@self @glynmoody Nice post to scroll past while I'm reading The Dawn of Everything :)
Show threadjouiJun 29, 2023
@self Sadly I do no longer recall the details, but I saw a en documentary episode where someone like Ray Mears or Alice Roberts interviews hunter/gatherer women (I think Hadza, but could well have been First Nation Australians) about the mens' contribution to the group's grocery shopping and they are not too enthusiastic about it.
Show threadAlbertoJun 29, 2023
@self It is incredible how prejudices consolidated in the cultural schemes of our society can be so strong as to alter the analysis of scientific and archaeological evidence. We see a different reality by projecting our view of things onto the things we see.
Show threadKagan MacTane (he/him)Jun 29, 2023

@self I can't wait to see how quickly the evo psych community revises all their theories and "conclusions" that have previously been based on the idea that "men hunt, women gather; these gender roles are universal".

From what I've seen of evo psych, they'll simply ignore this. 😒

Show threadFelipe Jun 29, 2023
@self that was pretty obvious, kindergarten level lie, like just look at any other carnivorous animal behavior and you will find females hunting
Show threadAnderlandbooksJun 29, 2023

@self Most of our view on history is heavily skewed by the beliefs of the 19th century - one of the most misogynistic centuries ever, unfortunately.

150 years ago, some 'scientists' even claimed women did not think but just mimicked men, and that their brain was mostly made of water (can't find the reference anymore, but I once had to do a presentation about that in physiology at uni, and wow, was that fun 😆)

Show thread Why Not Zoidberg? 🦑Jun 29, 2023
@self These days any archeologist who insists a woman dressed in hunter / warrior garb in a grave is "Symbolic" probably also still think history was just FULL of room mates...
Show threadSamhain NightJun 29, 2023
@self Who was the Greek god of hunting? Oh, that's right, it was the *goddess* Artemis. If a patriarchal society like ancient Greece has a goddess of hunting, it must have been pretty damn common for women to hunt.
Show threadMWTJun 29, 2023
@self So, yet another example of women doing everything while men take the credit?
Show threadEvelynJun 30, 2023
@self @xris Later, Dudes: I’m off to go big game hunting now. 👋
Show threadLivingCodeJun 30, 2023

@self years Ago I've read an article about that where it was written that the small stone age Communities couldn't have survived if not every person could do any role (hunting/gathering/etc) and it makes sense.

Alloy strikes true

Show thread@reiver ⊼ (Charles) Jun 30, 2023

@self

From the article:

"the widespread belief that men exclusively hunt and women exclusively gather"

With whom is that a widespread belief?

...

AFAIK, the widespread belief with anthropologists is that — men tend to spend more time hunting than women do.

Show threadViktoria Pammer-SchindlerJun 30, 2023
@self many thanks, very interesting. this is the original research article btw: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0287101 (for anyone wanting to save themselves one click). enjoy!
The Myth of Man the Hunter: Women’s contribution to the hunt across ethnographic contexts

The sexual division of labor among human foraging populations has typically been recognized as involving males as hunters and females as gatherers. Recent archeological research has questioned this paradigm with evidence that females hunted (and went to war) throughout the Homo sapiens lineage, though many of these authors assert the pattern of women hunting may only have occurred in the past. The current project gleans data from across the ethnographic literature to investigate the prevalence of women hunting in foraging societies in more recent times. Evidence from the past one hundred years supports archaeological finds from the Holocene that women from a broad range of cultures intentionally hunt for subsistence. These results aim to shift the male-hunter female-gatherer paradigm to account for the significant role females have in hunting, thus dramatically shifting stereotypes of labor, as well as mobility.

Show threadZach777Jul 1, 2023

@self This goes along well with the study examining atlatls and how they can be used to nearly the same effectiveness for both sexes and nearly every age group.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/pan.2006.016

Show threadKerry Mitchell 🍁Jul 1, 2023
@self This seems like something that shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Show threadAn Obvious AliasJul 1, 2023
@self Seinfeld in the 90s just had a joke ruined 🤣
always felt like an odd myth anyway
Show threadJacJul 1, 2023
@self are humans different from other species? After all, lionesses do the hunting. My female cat brings us all sorts of delights, yet male cats tend to keep their kills to themselves
Show threadbeasomJul 2, 2023
@self @tokyo_0 I read [Woman the Hunter](https://archive.org/details/womanhunter00mary) over 20 years ago that provided substantially the same information. Kind of surprised that this is "news" again. Just because of this recently-published paper?
Woman the hunter : Stange, Mary Zeiss : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Includes bibliographical references (pages 231-242) and index

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