allisonoh my god "AI" is such a clown show https://www.theverge.com/features/23764584/ai-artificial-intelligence-data-notation-labor-scale-surge-remotasks-openai-chatbots just a big funhouse mirror of useless labor, all because billionaires and computer scientists can't get it into their heads that the task of accurately answering a question is fundamentally incompatible with statistical prediction
Alex Remingtonthis is among the reasons I get easily frustrated with artists who work with AI claiming that they're "collaborating with the machine." you're not! you're collaborating with other people, it's just that the way you're talking to them is asynchronously and anonymously through a terrible rube goldberg device made of GPUs that distorts everything in the conversation. might as well say that your uber ride is "collaborating with the machine"
emenel@aparrish it’s also a very naïve perspective tbh. And i say that as someone who actually was that naive back when this was starting.
VHaschI'd describe the process as using a tool, except that tool uses the work of other artists without permission.
Piers Cawley
Jeremy Kahnit's me, your friendly industrial Monsanto affiliate.
After a long day of collaborating with the combine harvester to create corn, I like to sit down and have a cold beer that I made in collaboration with my instacart app.
Kevan@aparrish @kristinHenry You're collaborating with something created by people. If the AI created itself you'd be with a machine, but it needs people to get it started.
keeps vis.social running@kristinHenry @aparrish Once it's on the internet it's on the internet, but I agree though it's sure unethical to do that without at least giving credit. Apparently from what I read these AIs just scrape the web for data and use it.
серафими многоꙮчитїи@aparrish So, in Marxism there is a thing called 'abstraction', which is ~ about the creation of markets as a way to hide and also magnify the relations of domination. So (for existence) instead of an aristocrat or member of the bourgeoisie having a relationship with some specific labourers via corvee or wages, through abstraction they could have a relationship with 'labour'. I see Uber/'AI' as the next form of this - a hyperabstraction - where there is a new intermediary (the platform/'AI')...
@aparrish So with hyperabstraction, even the relation with 'labour' (itself a mystification) is mystified; hence the 'I'm collaborating with the machine' stuff. This double mystification is (in part) aimed at fighting collective action, which itself was a response to the first level of mystification which was aimed (in part) at fighting personal action.
Steve Lhomme@aparrish @OutOnTheMoors except that machine has its own set of knowledge and output that no other human have. It's like a personality.
When you talk to a human you don't assume you're talking to the entire population that person has ever interacted with, learned from.
When you talk to a human you don't assume you're talking to the entire population that person has ever interacted with, learned from.
geobeck@aparrish
People love to anthropomorphize everything, like grossly misinterpreting the principles of evolution (animals consciously "evolving") to seeing anything resembling intelligence in current A"I".
Paganini may not have authorized Rachmaninov to use his 24th Caprice, but at least Rachmaninov was a legitimate composer. Any AI "music" I've heard is bland and toneless with ridiculous harmonic and melodic deviations.