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Jeff Geerling Jun 22, 2023

Dear Red Hat:

are you dumb?

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream

I am seriously considering dropping support for all RHEL/Fedora on all my Ansible work.

Furthering the evolution of CentOS Stream

As the CentOS Stream community grows and the enterprise software world tackles new dynamics, we want to sharpen our focus on CentOS Stream as the backbone of enterprise Linux innovation. We are continuing our investment in and increasing our commitment to CentOS Stream. CentOS Stream will now be the sole repository for public RHEL-related source code releases.

Blog post: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/dear-red-hat-are-you-dumb

Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb? | Jeff Geerling

Richard Ibbotson Jun 22, 2023

In my own experience. It's a lot easier to just dump RedHat

Michele Volpato Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy I am a simple, old-school internet user. I see a blog, I subscribe to RSS feed.

Jaime Herazo Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy
This too is #enshittification

@geerlingguy Screw RHS. Seriously. They are one of the most corporate-minded greediest "open source" company I've ever heard of. It's like Oracle with Java. Profit driven nonsense

@geerlingguy hm, as a Fedora user who has never used Red Hat, CentOS, or the likes, I think it would be totally fine to only focus on Fedora compatibility and let the rest sort it out, but I’m also not familiar with what sort of software you provide, either.

If it’s GUI software, surely this can be solved with Flatpak and the cross-desktop Portals APIs? If it’s CLI software, users can pretty trivially use containers with toolbox, Podman, Docker, etc. which has really eased compatibility woes.

Jay Little Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy Yeah IBM and Redhat have apparently decided to go the enshittification route. This move also has me tacitly reconsidering my status as a Fedora user... though I don't think that's a huge risk yet. However if IBM and Redhat keep going down this road of enshittification, I will definitely be forced to revisit the issue sooner rather than later.

...and that would be a damn shame.

[OLD ACCOUNT] Maxwell Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy I don't see the problem with testing against CentOS Stream. Also, note that this doesn't equal the end of Rocky Linux and Almalinux. They will adapt.

[OLD ACCOUNT] Maxwell Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy I'm also very unhappy about this decision, but to me, this feels like a slight overreaction.

Jeff Geerling Jun 22, 2023

@maxgot 98% of the time, Stream would suffice. But that's not good enough, especially considering I don't run RHEL in production so I rely on test environments that match as close as possible.

[OLD ACCOUNT] Maxwell Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy CentOS Stream is just the development branch for the next RHEL minor release. It's almost the same and provides a preview of the changes coming down the pipe in the next ~6 months. I don't understand why you'd rather drop support for RH based distributions entirely than test on CentOS Stream. Even so, this does not mean the end of Alma and Rocky:

http://almalinux.org/blog/impact-of-rhel-changes/
https://rockylinux.org/news/2023-06-22-press-release/

AlmaLinux OS

Jeff Geerling Jun 23, 2023

@maxgot Stream is not a replacement for RHEL infra testing, though.

My blog post outlines the rest of my thoughts on the matter: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/dear-red-hat-are-you-dumb

Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb? | Jeff Geerling

Douglas Eadline Jun 22, 2023

They have become that which they were created to prevent.

Scott Trakker Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/XM6BNUHKI3EKTDEXAAVE3JBPCG3BPUJC/

Re: What is Fedora? - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists

Jigen Daisuke, Jr Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy that's more of IBM move, not RedHat's, IMHO. But the move is still dumb, I agree.

5th Ghostbuster Jun 22, 2023

@geerlingguy I tried to download and install RedHat after 17 years of not using it.

After waiting nearly a full day I downloaded the ISO. Only fof it not to install on my Proxmox setup... Looks like they don't want people to use it!