Dude, I went back to Reddit and it's sad.

All you have are the wholesome-chasers, the gender essentialists gossiping about what's proper to each gender, and--because there's a vacuum in the popular algorithm--sports fans with their inside jokes. And I hate sports.

Maybe don't shit on your free labor, perhaps.

@nonlinear one of the biggest things I think we could be learning from both #Twitter & #Reddit recently is how different everyone's experiences on those platforms really was.

While my experience on Reddit mirrors yours in many ways, (I think) we've already covered how my Twitter interactions really didn't change that much at all from pre Musk. I left there on principle.

Thanks(?) to her selective participation, my wife basically didn't even notice the reddit blackout.

@phpete @nonlinear You left twitter, but your interactions there haven’t changed? :)

@orcinus @nonlinear yes, while my interactions there didn't change at the time of the takeover/gutting, I left on principle.

I've kept up many casual conversational ties here on mastodon, and have kept up the search for a replacement to my other Twitter use cases.

@phpete @orcinus are we gatekeeping digital diaspora?

diaspora is experienced differently by each of us. it's like grief.

@nonlinear @orcinus perhaps the consolidation of congregation spaces on the net as a whole will prove to be simply a blip on the timeline of online communication.

Ideally we'll find a way to harness the individuality of our shared experience for the greater good of online life.

I have to work towards that, because I will not be satisfied with my kids (whose lives are online-dependent) being only a product of a broken system.

🤔 (I got a little off track there)

@nonlinear @orcinus and as far as gatekeeping specifically is concerned, digital communication is never as good as face to face, so misinterpretations abound, but in general - nah, we good. 😁

@phpete @orcinus why are we comparing one vs the other? they're different mediums.

yeah, miscommunication exists... but it also gives us a lot of stuff f2f comm doesn't get or never meant to.

if we compare one with the other, we'll miss their inherent properties.

@nonlinear @orcinus all true.

But tge fact that pattern recognition is hard wired into us remains, so comparisons happen without conscious effort.

You'll hear no argument from me as to whether or not both mediums have their benefits, they clearly do.

Perhaps I could've articulated my response differently, and specified that I was centering it on myself.

I believe I've encountered more gatekeeping online than in person.

@nonlinear @orcinus whether or not that's accurate or a result of miscommunications that would've been received promptly has they occurred in person is a specific issue *I* have.

@phpete @orcinus you could say online societies are not communities.

communities imply *common* boundaries. they're permeable and fuzzy, but they're *common*.

in contrast, social media (as it is) traps us in personal bubbles... what you see is not what others see. it's not a community per se, but parasocial (just like mass media).

@nonlinear @orcinus excellent food for thought. Especially the parasocial angle, I like that.

And now I'm off to do my best to work through the inevitable in person miscommunication & get my 13yo to clean her room.

@nonlinear @phpete This isn't the first period of massive online societal upheaval and uncertainty. These things come in waves. Every time it happens, there's a period of uncertainty and fuzzyness, until things recrystalize into communities again.

Online societies are not communities, but they eventually form communities, until they grow too big, become a target for exploatation, and inevitably turn to shit.

And so the wheel turns.

@nonlinear @phpete All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. Every time it’s a little bit more painful, not because or any significant difference in the progression, but because you keep telling yourself ”maybe it’ll be different next time”.
@phpete @orcinus and yup. i'd say individuality is the issue with this (shall we say) 2nd wave social media. we always met one another with social context. now we're forced to explain ourselves constantly because removed of context, and that's exhausting.