Calls for “debate” on subjects like vaccines aren’t really invitations to communicate with a large audience. Many reasons for this, one of which is Brandolini’s Law:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.

The whole thing is a set-up.

It’s an asymmetric proposition.

The format they want doesn’t allow for the slow, methodical scientific processes needed to reach sound conclusions and refute misinformation.

At the same time, participation by scientists creates an environment where claims that mimic scientific rigor, acquire legitimacy.

On top of that it isn’t actually a debate. There’s no moderator agreed on by both parties, no standard for the dividing line between fact and opinion. Those are sort of essential for debate!

If folks asking for a debate really wanted to “get to the bottom of this stuff” they would go spend time with scientists doing the work.

People like Joe Rogan or RFK Jr could absolutely get that access if they really wanted it. They’d have to do some work to convince others it was in good faith, but they could do it.

It will take time and isn’t designed to get clicks, unfortunately. But they’d get real answers and could ask all the questions they want.

@mcnees I have a quote saved about how most conspiracy theories are people 'asking questions' and then refusing to listen to the answers.
@jewishreader sounds about right
@mcnees @jewishreader Michael Crichton spent a day at my office talking to climate scientists. Then he wrote STATE OF FEAR.
@roadskater @jewishreader Yeah I’m not saying it will always work, but if they earnestly want to investigate these things there’s really only one meaningful way to do it.

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"Truth is defined by the weakest of us who must suffer through it."
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Treating Joe Rogan as an honest broker is what helps make this crap take ahold of so many people and warp their brains.
@mcnees they’re not even interested in scientific rigor though. If they were they’d leave issues up to scientists instead of insisting on debating them. Vaccines have eliminated multiple deadly diseases at this point. Their efficacy and safety shouldn’t be up for debate, but I have yet to see evidence that conservatives are willing to engage in good faith instead of forcing their regressive worldview.

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Do you think the right will ever wake up and realize that their representatives are more interested in their anger than their care?

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One does not "debate" things like the existence of gravity or whether apples grow on trees.

"Debating" insane opinions only gives them credibility.

@MugsysRapSheet @mcnees Man, all this science is so confusing. Maybe I’ll just go with my gut!

Leeeeroy… nJenkinnnsss

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Vaccines, evolution, and atheism. Three major topics that the ignorant always demand we debate. Most of us have learned the foolishness of doing that.
@mcnees @ampersine Hard lessons learned from the Gish “debates” in the 80s. I saw one live in grad school. Was vs a well respected paleontologist, whom we assumed would wipe the floor with Gish. To our horror we quickly realized that you can’t debate someone who has no regard for reality, let alone reason.
@mcnees Agreed... there's no reason to "debate" any of this insanity. None of his followers would even consider changing their minds regardless of the legitimate info that was provided.
@mcnees That is something I hate about political debates. One candidate will spout a bunch of bull with no evidence for any of it and then will say “my opponent never refuted my arguments” because it takes at least 5 times as long to refute each claim as it does to put forth the claim with no evidence. It is impossible to refute each argument and make a counter argument in the allotted time.
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“If you can’t teach the material, teach the controversy.”-bullshit guide to winning a fact free argument