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NSFW instance lemmynsfw just explicitly allowed drawn child porn

Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.... #RedditMigration

https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29633

We're allowing non-IRL underage looking content - Lemmy NSFW

When I opened this site 5 days ago, I could not have guessed that I would post such a post. But here we are. As you know, we did a poll on this topic here [https://lemmynsfw.com/post/26029]. Around 40% of people said to block, the rest said to not to. In such cases, we wanted to make the poll, even though it doesn’t matter. Right now, I’m still currently agreeing with @bobbiguy2122 [https://lemmynsfw.com/u/bobbiguy2122] here [https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/82152]. We are going to let community moderators handle the situation in within limits. So it’s going to be users choice to subscribe to that community or creating new one with his own rules. #### Why not completely block it I think we should not ban this pleasure just because it is in a dangerous area. #### As a result First of all we will explicitly ban IRL loli images. Although we will allow non-IRL content under moderator control, tho we will control childish content independently of moderators too. We will make this distinction according to images that look and act like children. #### Defederation I see a lot of people are worried about this situation. But I don’t care. Because as you can see, beehaw, one of the largest instances, blocked the other 2 largest instances. This situation is inevitable in NSFW only instances like us. As a result, you must have one main account, where you can access all instances, and one NSFW account, where you can only access NSFW content. For example, I don’t plan to block any instances on this instance, except in extreme cases. Edit: If all people are against this, then who answered to this poll? https://strawpoll.com/polls/bVg8ovmLznY/results [https://strawpoll.com/polls/bVg8ovmLznY/results]

Jun 17, 2023 at 10:03amWeb
Show threadSordidDuckJun 17, 2023
This is so fucked up.
Show threadInaminJun 17, 2023
I was pretty shocked by m/random. It's not a nsfw magazine and yet it is full of porn from lemmynsfw.com. I'm not anti porn, but I was a bit shocked as I'm just flicking through kbin at home.
Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
You're surprised that the internet is full of porn?
Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
it's kinda funny the people most up in arms about loli/shota stuff are also the ones telling people to not "kinkshame".
Show threadKillakomodoJun 17, 2023
OMFG this is why I hate the "you can't kink shame bullshit" I have no fucking problem shaming pedos, necros and rapist, they deserve the utmost shame for the trash they are.
Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

  • loli/shota has nothing to do with pedos

  • necro for fictional content is harmless, and rape is the most common kink among women; cnc is a thing.

    • but thanks for proving my point. no one is defending pedos here.

    Show threadmilesJun 17, 2023
    you are, actually!
    Show threadKillakomodoJun 17, 2023
    Yes, it does have to do with pedos, you are just unwilling to admit you are pedo.
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    I'm not even into loli stuff so lol. if I date a man is he a pedo? is that how you think?
    Show threadKillakomodoJun 17, 2023

    are you over 18? and is the man over 18? then that's fine, no shit?

    are we just asking dumb questions now?

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    so then what is the issue with an anime character who is 18+ and loli?
    Show threadKillakomodoJun 18, 2023
    Because those two things are incongruent and you know it, you just choose to ignore it. there is no such thing as an 18+ loli, and don't bother telling me there is because no there is not.
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 18, 2023
    you're gonna flip when you find out oppai loli is a thing which is biologically impossible to be a child.
    Show threadKillakomodoJun 18, 2023
    no I am not now fuck off pedo
    Show threaddewritoninjaJun 17, 2023
    My kinks might make me a degenerate but not a criminal. I will shame pedos like you till I die
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    see this is why weebs do not take anti-loli people seriously. you accuse me of being a pedophile simply because I'm speaking the facts.

    I honestly have no intent on using kbin for nsfw, and the sort of content discussed isn't my preference anyway. The nsfw content I look at involve 30 year old anime characters who are not loli/shota lol. you're barking up the wrong tree with your moralizing.

    Show threadgmtomJun 17, 2023

    Stop talking about weebs like we're all nonce that agree with you. Plenty of us are against child porn and are fully aware that loli explicitly refers to kids, as that is LITERALLY the fucking definition of the word and even in Japan lolicon is synonymous with pedo.

    Stop going to bat to defend pedophiles

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    m/random provides unsorted/uncategorized posts. so basically just a mess of everything across the fediverse, along with stuff that people intentionally post in there.
    Show threadInaminJun 17, 2023
    yep. do you not see a problem with this?
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    why would I have a problem with a fediverse site showing federated content? if I didn't want to look at an unsorted/uncategorized collection of posts I'd simply ignore m/random.
    Show threadInaminJun 17, 2023

    and ignore m/all? Even if I enable 'hide adult content', it still shows up because it is not flagged as adult content. what is the point of having nsfw flags if nsfw content is being posted in communities/magazines that are not nsfw communities? I like having a look through /all every now and then, it's a nice way to find new communities. But when there are heaps of nsfw posts in it well you can see an issue can arise. I take it you don't have kids? Like I said earlier, I have no issue with nsfw content. I just think it should not be something that appears without looking for it. To note: there is no age verification on any of these servers yet.

    If anything from across the fediverse can appear on the front page of an instance, that is going to open that instance to a certain level of risk. I mean, it's been less than a week and we're already discussing the possibility of CP appearing on kbin.social. Is @Ernst ok with the prospect that depicted CP could be on his server?

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    I agree that proper tagging and filtering should be in place. Personally my preference is to show all content, but to blur nsfw until hovering over it. proper tagging is a win for everyone.

    and yes, I think that having "all" as the default front page is an odd decision. I'm opposed to defederating, but I'm a big advocate for people controlling and curating their own experience and what they see. in that regard, I agree there should be good tools for filtering this stuff on the user-level.

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    saying loli is drawn child porn

    :| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.

    Show threadlynnyJun 17, 2023
    Some people would rather ignore Japanese culture and push their views on others. It is so strange to me that the west cannot tell drawings from reality.
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    I don't even care about the ruling. I just hate that people keep conflating loli/shota with children when it really has nothing to do with that.

    But yeah it's wild how people have issues with drawings.

    Show threadHanhulaJun 17, 2023

    It's not Japanese culture. I know a fair few Japanese friends who are disgusted by lolicon.

    The fact is, if you're drawing childlike characters and putting them in sexual situations.. there's something fucked there. Sure, they're not real, but it's still fucked up to be attracted to that in the first place. They look like children!

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    Hi, I'm an actual full grown real life 30 year old adult. I look like a minor. Should I just not be allowed to date and have relationships with other adults?
    Show threadHanhulaJun 17, 2023
    Hi, I'm an adult woman who also looks pretty young! There's still a huge difference between how I look now in my late 20s and how a prepubescent child looks! These things are false equivalencies. Stop trying to justify this shit.
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    there's also a difference between a prepubescent anime child and a loli anime adult.
    Show threadgmtomJun 17, 2023
    If you can't tell the difference between a small adult and an actual child, you have major issues.
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    my thoughts exactly about people who are anti loli. if they can't tell the difference between a small anime adult and an actual anime child, you have major issues.
    Show threadgmtomJun 17, 2023
    Except that argument doesn't work with anime because it's not real people, hence why some people draw characters that are 2000 year old vampires 5hat just so happen to look exactly like an 8 year old girl as a way to try and get away with it.
    Show threadgeoffervescentJun 17, 2023

    Of course not. But if you date and have relationships the other people involved understand the context exactly. If you started sending random nudes of your "I'm an actual full grown real life 30 year old adult. I look like a minor" self to strangers, how what would the context be.

    Now of course NSFW animation is harmless. But you can understand the worry they might be looking at CP if they have zero reference points from life or culture except what's illegal tabboo and disgusting in their culture.

    The great thing about the Fediverse though - there will likely be an instance where a vast majority share your opinion and can connect to all the same instances from an 3rd origin point instance.

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    If the concern is "normies seeing", then perhaps a suitable compromise would be to hide such content from the front page by default? so that only people who explicitly subscribe to it can see it?

    I'm an advocate of "curate your own experience". I don't want to see half the fucked up nsfw shit people post, yet you do not see me crying over defederating instances that host it.

    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023

    You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.

    For the rest

    of us though,

    we dont really want to be associated with this shit

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023
    citing a shitty dictionary doesn't change the facts. loli does not refer to an age. no matter how much you wish to cry and try and say it does.
    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023
    Hey, if you go out of your way to find dictionaries that support your world view of naked pictures of kids thats up to you bud, more power to ya
    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    Attacking people doesn't really help your point. Might want to think about that for a moment before replying like that.
    Show threadTrack_ShovelJun 17, 2023

    While your point is valid, so is /u/nudes's

    If you have to go looking for dictionaries that don't suggest you are attracted to underaged girls, you MIGHT want to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    I'm not interested in the matter at hand at all. Just pointing out personal attacks when I see them.
    Show threadKillakomodoJun 17, 2023

    I don't know, I feel like this article I read a while ago that talks about ad hominem and coincidently being a creep that pertains to the situation and says how I feel about the idea. I did not write it, I just think it's accurate.

    https://theoutline.com/post/8785/defense-of-ad-hominem

    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023
    Nah I'm good
    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    I don't need a dictionary to know how to speak english. loli/shota are well understood words in the weeb community. they don't refer to kids.

    also, I don't look at that kind of hentai lol. but notably: loli/shota do not refer to nsfw things. there is sfw loli/shota pics and nsfw ones.

    I have a hunch you're probably fine with actually illegal porn though while outcrying about this perfectly legal stuff.

    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023

    If you want to be daft about the situation, more power to ya bud.

    Its clear in context what the implication of allowing that content is, being contrary isn't going to change anything

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    their ruling is independent of the fact that the words loli and shota do not refer to children. I went to go look for the announcement post (since it wasn't linked) and it talks about content that isn't necessarily synonymous with loli/shota. in the post they explicitly say that they aren't allowing minors/children.

    you're throwing a fuss about adults.

    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023

    Post title

    We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

    I'm telling people who don't want to see pics of naked kids that this particular instance is cool with that.

    You're defending that instance.

    I'm not throwing a fuss bud

    Show threadOtome-chanJun 17, 2023

    I haven't said my view on their ruling lol. Though it says in the post they ban underage content. so it's all fine yeah?

    my issue and reason for commenting is twofold:

  • defederation should not occur unless extreme circumstances (illegal content that will lead to kbin being shut down)

  • loli/shota do not refer to minors and it's important to clarify that fact.

    • IMO it seems obvious to me that they're talking about allowing adult loli/shota content. which is entirely legal and fine and has nothing to do with minors. I don't see an issue with this.

    Show threadgmtomJun 17, 2023
    Shit like this is why I hide the fact I watch anime
    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I'm not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.
    Show threadBasicWhiteGirlJun 17, 2023
    They voted? How? How many people are even in that community so far? Seems like the kind of thing to revisit as it grows.
    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    I don't know, but they wrote so in the post the OP quoted.
    Show threadasjmcguireJun 17, 2023
    Yeah - but not a single response to the post - agrees.
    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    I honestly can't tell you anything you couldn't read up in the quoted original post of this thread. I read about it a few minutes ago, so you're as well-informed about it as me.
    Show threadasjmcguireJun 17, 2023
    Yeah that's what I meant - I didn't see a single comment on the announcement post - that agreed with the mod. They are all saying it's a stupid decision, many are threatening to report any clearly underage content - whether it's drawn or not.
    The mod might have made the decision, but the users don't agree with it at all.
    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    I don't care about all that, or this issue here in general. I'm only replying here, because I personally, as a fediverse user, want to be able to decide myself what I do and don't want to see. If I have the means to curate the content visible to me, which I do, there's no need to have someone think and act for me. See where I'm coming from?
    Show threadasjmcguireJun 17, 2023
    100%
    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023

    Yes, that isnt an issue.

    The issue is for those looking for a NSFW instance that dont want to associate with child porn

    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    You don't have to join an instance to access their content, though. And if something pops up in your timeline if you select "All", you can still block the whole community without losing access to others hosted on that server.
    Show threadnudeJun 17, 2023

    Yes, I am aware of this.

    The point of the thread though is to point out that the instance likely isn't one that most people looking for a reddit NSFW alternative is one that they want to associate with, and to ask if there are any other alternatives yet

    Show threadHanabieJun 17, 2023
    You don't associate with an instance by accessing content from it. You do by signing up there and accessing the fediverse as a whole on that account.