#Kbin update:
- The https://kbin.social server is now federating with the Fediverse. You can follow/interact with kbin.social magazines & users from other Kbin servers, Mastodon & rest of the Fediverse. For example the TIL magazine is at @TodayILearned, the lead dev of Kbin is at @ernest
- There's a new Kbin server at https://readit.buzz which is run by the same people as the Universodon.com Mastodon server. It's open for signups, just click "log in" and then "register".
p.s. If you are browsing a magazine, thread or account from Kbin (or anywhere else on the Fediverse!) and you want to interact with it somewhere else on the Fediverse but you can't find it by searching, here's how to make your server notice it:
1. Go to Kbin in your web browser
2. Copy the web address of what you want to interact with
3. Paste that address into the search box on Mastodon (or any other Fediverse server type)
It will then appear on your own server where you can interact with it.
p.p.s. Several people asking in the thread about how to appear on the microblogging sections of Kbin magazines.
As far as I can tell, just include one of the magazine's listed tags in your posts on Mastodon etc. For example to appear on the Apple magazine's microblogging section include #apple or #iphone or one of the other tags as shown at on the right side of the screen at https://kbin.social/m/apple
Microblogging is a separate tab from Threads, you need a Kbin account to start a new thread.
@feditips if #kbin is already able to post content to #Mastodon, it would be very cool if you could sign up to kbin via your Mastodon account. To me that just makes sense since both platforms already have functionality overlap.
I don't know how technically feasible that would be, just thinking aloud here. kbin already has log in with Google and Facebook accounts, so why not Mastodon ones too? If it's not feasible, nevermind. If it is, that would be very cool.
I'm not sure what you mean by "signing up to kbin"?
Your account on the Fediverse only works with the server you signed up on, but your server lets you communicate with accounts and groups on other servers.
It's like with email: you can't use a Gmail account to sign in on Yahoo Mail, but you can still send emails between Gmail and Yahoo Mail accounts.
I don't think Kbin has Google or FB login by the way?
@feditips There are Twitter and Google sign in buttons for new kbin accounts.
I'm saying, if possible, it'd be very cool to sign in via your Mastodon instance too. That way someone who was tooting on Mastodon could easily jump into kbin, continue tooting, but then also have more involved kbin discussions too.
This may not be possible depending on Fediverse architecture design and complicated to implement, but I think it'd help make Kbin even more unique.
@wholegroanoats @feditips I was hoping nobody would say that... 😭
Nevermind I guess. Maybe one day in the future that can be implemented
If you want to sign up on another server, why not just sign up on the other server?
If you want to communicate with the other server, why not just communicate with it from your current server?
I'm not sure what the advantage of an SSO system would be on a federated network? (Not being rhetorical here, this is a genuine question)
@wholegroanoats @feditips Yeah pretty much this. I'm thinking about accessibility. Stumbling across kbin via Mastodon, then seeing Mastodon Login. +1 kbin account server storage space, quicker user access. Win win.
Fediverse access should be as simple as possible to encourage wider adoption IMO. I think as few accounts as needed would be ideal (i.e. one Mastodon account to interact with all Mastodon instances, one Kbin account for Lemmy and other Reddit-like instances etc).
@feditips User experience behind that federation is disingenuous at best: You can subscribe and "interact" from anywhere. Everyone keeps saying so, it must be true. But it isn't.
Subscribe to a kbin theads from mastodon. Now you get a firehose dump of every comment on every thread, chronologically, with no metadata (votes etc.)
If you can parse that stream, responding works fairly well.
Unfortunately, responding is not the same as actually *participating*. Up/downvote isn't a mastodon feature, so no voting or even seeing the votes. Same across other "federated" services.
To participate, I need a BUNCH of brand new accounts. Which part of "federation works everywhere" is that?
Off the cuff, it seems like the building blocks for account equivalency are in place. SSO + a modified account migration verification can create and maintain remote 'sessions'. That even lets my "main" server send me to a compatible remote client to do remote stuff with a simple hyperlink and OAUTH bounce.
I'm not sure.
I can't see any pattern to which posts appear on the KbinMeta magazine's microblogging section, and it has no tags listed:
https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/microblog
The Apple microblogging section definitely has specific tags in all its posts, which match up with its tag list:
https://kbin.social/m/apple/microblog
...so... I dunno! Is there an option on magazines to choose what microblogs display?
@feditips can't seem to register. Get Too Many Requests.
[sigh]
Try registering on another server?
Tags are passive filters for your server's Federated timeline. They only show content your server would have noticed anyway.
Groups actively push content to all servers which have subscribers, including content that the subscriber's server hasn't noticed yet.
Or, to put it briefly, content on groups federates much more effectively. If you post something in a group it goes to everyone who subscribes, whereas if you use a tag it doesn't necessarily go to everyone who follows that tag.
So, I just discovered I can post into Lemmy and Kbin communities from my Mastodon account! Now, here the catch.
I cannot specify if what I'm posting is a link, video, etc. It's always the one plain text type, because these services don't take a risk to assume the type of content from a bare Mastodon/Pleroma post.
While it's bearable with Lemmy - people can click the link and all - Kbin is another beast altogether. When I publish something from Mastodon and mention the Kbin magazine, it's always gonna be a microblog note, no choice. It separates microblogs from threads, which, if you ask me, are essentially the same thing under the hood. Obviously, there is a high chance nobody will look into microblog, because the primary tab for any maganize is "Threads", not "Microblogs". I sure hope I'm not posting into the void, otherwise I would need to make a separate account just to make threads work. 🥴 (Actually, no, I'd better ignore Kbin.)
I gave #Kbin another try, took a less popular instance without Cloudflare, create a magazine with appropriate tags in settings.
When I go and make a post on Mastodon with one of those tags AND even mention the group where magazine resides (just in case), but nothing makes the post appear on Kbin.
You can imagine my disappointment, as I promoted the shit out of Kbin prematurely and how it's suppoed to fetch remote posts - NOPE, doesn't work. 🤔 😔
@feditips Hey, due to recent spam campaigns, untested features, and the lack possibility of quick fixes on the new infrastructure, the federation has been temporarily restricted. The federated instances are currently limited to kbin<->kbin and kbin<->lemmy. I didn't want to add extra work for other admins on platforms where groups are not well-supported. After the planned update at the end of September, groups will also be restored for other platforms, including Mastodon.
@vintprox @vintprox But wait... in essence, Mastodon posts should indeed appear on the microblog in the appropriate magazine (e.g. https://kbin.social/m/fediverse/microblog/newest). The condition is that someone from the kbin instance must be following your account (in the case of tagging). The limitation goes the other way (posts from kbin are not visible in Mastodon groups). Could you please provide links to the posts you're referring to? I will try to verify this today.
Right, so, I have this issue where even if I follow magazine's group from Mastodon, it does not necessarily trigger anything on Kbin to make the Mastodon post appear in Microblog section.
Here is my magazine: https://kbin.melroy.org/m/drbboard/microblog/newest
And here is the post: https://techhub.social/@vintprox/111108832486309659
[WIP] **Unofficial [devRant](https://devrant.com/) bulletin board**, a magazine for people of dR and categories adjacent to information technology (IT). We are here collecting rant discussions, recommended software, links, images and other resources around our interests....
It turns out that Microblog doesn't gather posts that contain extreneous tag somewhere around the beginning. I really miss the docs on this matter. When I include tag "#Kbin", my post doesn't appear in my magazine, but when I remove it, all is fine, post appears immediately.
What's the behavior here? I just checked and it seems that if I include extreaneous tag as the first one, post is ignored. When I move this tag after the featured one, the post appears on Microblog tab.
Oh, and by "extraneous tag" I still maintain the #kbin. When I try any other, it doesn't interfere and show the post as it's intended to. So, it looks like I cannot use #kbin hashtag as the first one specifically.
@pieceofthepie @feditips @ernest
Interesting, so it's another way around: I need to follow Mastodon account from Kbin? I just followed and republished post from Mastodon with appropriate tag, but it doesn't work. It's probably requiring some more time to heat...
https://kbin.melroy.org/m/drbboard/microblog/newest
https://techhub.social/@vintprox/111109253704416998
[WIP] **Unofficial [devRant](https://devrant.com/) bulletin board**, a magazine for people of dR and categories adjacent to information technology (IT). We are here collecting rant discussions, recommended software, links, images and other resources around our interests....
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