As a child of the 80s I find it weird to want to defend Microsoft but… I don’t think so.

What happened with Reddit and Twitter is they were small enough that incompetent short-termists VCs or delusional fascists were able to take them over without restraint.

Will MS try to squeeze a bit more revenue from GH in ways that are mildly annoying? Probably. Will they lay waste to the whole business by doing things that obviously destroy valuable good will? No.

https://social.kernel.org/objects/d0a8dc76-e5cf-423d-8f38-081b7569fe67

K. Ryabitsev (@[email protected])

Everything happening with Reddit will happen with GitHub.

Not keen on the enshittification trope, because it can be so lazily applied.

@airspeedswift was just discussing with a friend how good the word itself is. And me telling him “I don’t even remember the case Cory wrote about it”; and then re-reading it and realizing I was using it differently.

I am afraid the word will take on a life of its own. All I can do is enjoy the debates over it now :-)

@Migueldeicaza @airspeedswift my understanding of enshittification is that it describes the three-phase process by which a middleman establishes a monopoly before ramping prices and cutting quality.

The canonical example is Amazon, who first provided a cheap deal to buyers so they'd only want to get their books from Amazon, then provided a compelling deal to suppliers so they'd only want to sell through Amazon, and finally, once they'd sown up the market, they were free to swindle everyone.

@Migueldeicaza @airspeedswift it seems like that could potentially apply to both Reddit and github.

They're both effectively middlemen between content providers and content consumers, who make that connection available for free (while running at a loss) with a presumable long term goal of monetizing it once they've made it sufficiently hard for users to jump ship if they don't like the changes that monetization effort brings.

@Migueldeicaza @airspeedswift of course I'd expect Microsoft to do it less hamfistedly than Reddit has done because they value their reputation more highly and they have other revenue streams to allow them to ramp up more slowly before needing to reach profitability.

I can't imagine that their strategy with github is just to keep running it as a loss leader forever so it can act as a halo effect for their other products and services though (although I suppose it's possible).

@nicklockwood @Migueldeicaza I'm not even how much of a loss leader it is at this point. They said it makes $1bn ARR last year, but they don’t break out its operating costs afaict.The segment they lump it into has revenue of $15bn and income of $6bn.
@airspeedswift @Migueldeicaza I guess they already moved to phase 3 with copilot. Maybe that's as far as it will go (which I could probably live with tbh, since I don't use it and none of my code is GPL anyway).
@nicklockwood @Migueldeicaza this kind of perfectly describes my problem with the term. People will say “aha copilot is enshittification!” because either a) they believe any service that isn't free is enshittification or b) they have some absurd "everyone must follow my principles" notion of how you can or cannot use open source software or c) they're a GPL fanatic (a particularly annoying subset of b)
@airspeedswift @nicklockwood @Migueldeicaza how *isn’t* it enshittification? They made something that already worked fine worse, with the sole purpose of being able to charge for it. They just managed to latch onto the right hype train.

@NeoNacho @airspeedswift @nicklockwood I am confused at the particular case study here. When I tweeted this, it was regarding the cash-cow dynamics around .net developers (it’s a long story).

Not sure where GitHub got here, and generally, I think copilot being a paid service is ok, you don’t have to buy it.

The management of GitHub is the same for the shenanigans above, and there might come a day that it switches to cash cow mode - and we get to experience the consequences.

@NeoNacho @airspeedswift @nicklockwood two thoughts I had while showering:

1. Having a word empowers people to name a problem. We have used assorted essay-length expressions to describe our concerns, and now there is a bumper-sticker version we can use for a spectrum of corporate actions.

2. The weaponization of woke was very much a punch-down move, while enshittydication is a punching up. Perhaps it will be used unfairly, but the targets can take it.

@nicklockwood @NeoNacho @airspeedswift @nicklockwood clearly I need to take more showers
@Migueldeicaza @NeoNacho @airspeedswift I just noticed you accidentally wrote "enshittydictation" which seems like a good word for what's happened to Siri over the years (although I suspect the issue in this case was enshittyautocorrect)
@nicklockwood @NeoNacho @airspeedswift few people called out my spelling a few days ago, and I battled what to write from memory :-)
@Migueldeicaza @NeoNacho @nicklockwood maybe "fake news" would be a closer analogy thank woke.
@airspeedswift @NeoNacho @nicklockwood oh man, yes, that word just lost all the meaning
@Migueldeicaza @airspeedswift @NeoNacho that was, again, deliberately co-opted by the right though. I guess the equivalent would be if they started referring to companies celebrating Pride month as enshittification