Jeff Atwoodit's disturbing how quickly I went from "1080p is amazing!" to "1080p is utter garbage, where's the native 4k version?!"
echoed by Seth Godin in brilliant fashion, far better than I could: https://seths.blog/2023/07/sufficient-resolution/
Marc Etienne@codinghorror in a way, it's like how computers were in the 1990s, and how quickly a top of the line box became too slow for even running the OS.
Leon Cowle@codinghorror I’m clearly slow.... I'm still in the “My 1080p TV looks AWESOME" phase. And my wallet is happy for it.
@leoncowle my computer monitor is 4k and a lot of youtube videos look like complete ass on it, even only half the screen. fullscreen? nightmare mode
@codinghorror Ok, yes, computer monitors are different. No way I can go back to non-retina, at the very least (typing this on my 27" Retina 5k iMac). I have a 2nd HP monitor attached, also 27”, and it looks like GARBAGE at 2560x1440.
❓ucblockhead@codinghorror I know intellectually that I used to watch everything on a 480i 4:3 36" screen across the living room, but psychologically I can no longer understand how that even worked.
Brendan B.@ucblockhead @codinghorror television was considered a medium of head-and-shoulders and closeup compositions for a reason.
@distinct @ucblockhead Charlie Day has a whole rant about this, and he's kinda right? https://www.cracked.com/article_36431_its-always-sunny-charlie-day-and-rob-mcelhenney-fight-as-much-off-screen-as-they-do-on-screen.html
@codinghorror @ucblockhead I don’t disagree! (also the only version of the X-Files I can get right now is a HD 16 x 9 crop from the 4 x 3 and I absolutely despise it. Just way too into everybody’s personal space)
@distinct @ucblockhead it is a fascinating deep dive into how the format you view something fundamentally changes what it is
@codinghorror @ucblockhead as a photographer on the side I think about this a lot when I suddenly got a lot less confident about the impact of a gorgeous wide shot I was editing on my 5K 27in monitor as I’m about to post it as a little Instagram square on my phone.
@distinct @ucblockhead plus the whole vertical video thing which has kinda taken over
Son of a Sailor@codinghorror I recorded so many shows on Betamax and VHS back in the day. I shudder to think what those recordings look like to me now.
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven@codinghorror And then you find out there's a whole section of movies which will never be able to look good on 4K, simply because they lack detail being digitally shot on 1080p.
@asmodai I am weirdly optimistic that AI upscaling will at least help here so it looks 4k-esque?
@codinghorror As I understand it, and I'm definitely not an expert in these techniques, you can resize/upscale, sure, but because the original format didn't have enough resolution to capture all kinds of details, versus 35 mm movie film stock with its grains, you can never get that detail later.
Like trying to get more detail out of a photo that's significant under- or overexposed.
@asmodai hmm, no, the AI models can infer what objects should look like and fill in the missing detail. Whether it does this accurately is another matter. Example (there are many others if you search) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1OgQL9_Cw
[4k, 60 fps] A Trip Through New York City in 1911
Upscaled with neural networks 1911 New York footage taken by the Swedish company Svenska Biografteatern on a trip to America: 💌 You can reach me here: https...
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛@codinghorror @asmodai Yeah. Can't recreate detail that was destroyed, but perfectly possible to confabulate what might have been there.
jpwkeeper@codinghorror My eyes are old enough that I can't really tell 1080p from 4k on less than IMAX.
@jpwkeeper I can tell watching YouTube videos on my computer monitor which is 4k. Even with the video halfscreen.
@codinghorror Not I. I couldn't even read what you wrote.
@jpwkeeper 🤣 HOW ABOUT NOW CAN YOU READ THIS JPWKEEPER
@codinghorror I can almost read it. Can you use a bigger font? Or maybe post it as a 4K Youtube video?
@codinghorror See? Who needs 4K.
@jpwkeeper I concede defeat
@codinghorror That was fun. I'm a big fan by the way.
Kevin P. Fleming@codinghorror I find myself wishing there was a way in every single Roku channel (app) to find out what the actual source format is, not what the Roku is sending to the TV.
Gabbo the wafrn dev guy@[email protected] ive been too many years with a 1367x768 monitor
Moved to @@gabboman @codinghorror I'm the same here
Whenever I use a 1080p display, I'm confused at why my text is so small 😅
Whenever I use a 1080p display, I'm confused at why my text is so small 😅
Aaron Meurer@codinghorror All it takes is owning a bigger TV
Luke ChanningsInteresting, this challenges my conceptions!
I still have a 1080p TV, I don’t need/wear glasses, and I’ve seen 4K TVs… from normal viewing distances with my 46” I don’t really notice it.
I do notice the additional bitrate of 4k downsampled to 1080p though, since 4k stuff is streamed higher.
I’m gonna upgrade from a 46” LED 1080p TV to a larger 4K QD-OLED in the next year or 2, and I think my eyeballs will pop out.
@lukechannings 75" is rapidly becoming the new standard TV size, and 65" already is
Bartek Ogryczak@codinghorror remember "DVD quality"? 480p :-P
@bartek ssshhhhhh that never happened 🤫
@codinghorror FWIW, in gaming 1440p is my go to, and I'll take 1440p @ 100+ fps over any 4K @ ~30-ish.
@bartek ah yes the FPS thing. I dunno. I'm torn. For gaming, I honestly feel 60fps is just right, but for super competitive twitchy games, maybe higher?
@codinghorror back in the day I had more free time, I saw drastic performance improvement (SPM, K/D) following switching from a machine that could 40-ish FPS to machine that could 70-80 FPS in BF4. I didn't even realize at first, but I saw it very clearly looking at BF4Stats graphs.
But you're right, in games that aren't competitive doesn't matter that much.
@codinghorror I prefer 360p or 480p for the ancient laptop that is my media center to keep up. 🤣