Jen Simmons

Listening to @shoptalkshow … websites in Safari in visionOS absolutely cannot tell what someone is looking at. Nope.

“Safari on Vision Pro will take such experiences to the next level, with a full stereoscopic view and environmental lighting — all in a privacy-preserving way. What or where the user is looking is never exposed to the web page.“

@chriscoyier @davatron5000

https://webkit.org/blog/14205/news-from-wwdc23-webkit-features-in-safari-17-beta/#spatial-web

News from WWDC23: WebKit Features in Safari 17 beta

It’s been a fantastic year for WebKit.

WebKit
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Show threadJen SimmonsJun 13, 2023

@shoptalkshow @chriscoyier @davatron5000 Also — people should not always swap out `vh` for `dvh`. Not when sizing their fonts! If they do, type size will change as the user scrolls.

A lot of typesetting on the web today uses `vh`. Which is why we couldn’t do what you described — remap `vh` to behave like `dvh`. That would have broken a lot of existing websites.

Show threadEric EggertJun 13, 2023
@jensimmons @shoptalkshow @chriscoyier @davatron5000 vh sized text is still not resizable, right? We see this so often and it is a real issue for users. 😔
Show threadChris CoyierJun 13, 2023
@jensimmons @shoptalkshow @davatron5000 obviously not for breaking websites, but suprising to me that a lot of typography uses the vh unit. vw I see all the time but personally have never seen vh.
Show threadJen SimmonsJun 14, 2023
@chriscoyier @shoptalkshow @davatron5000 Oh right, maybe developers are mostly using `vw ` not `vh` for typography. But it’d be even weirder if the units did one thing in one direction and something different in another direction. If we were to change the behavior, it’d be all or none.
Show threadMigrated to @[email protected] 🏳️‍🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️‍🌈Jun 13, 2023
@jensimmons @shoptalkshow @davatron5000 @chriscoyier Good, imagine ads that only count the time while you’re looking at them
Show threadDagaloniJun 13, 2023
@jensimmons Is there a hover state for Safari in VisionOS?
Show threadPranay MartinJun 13, 2023

@jensimmons @shoptalkshow

I totally understand why hover events are not fired on eye movement and applaud the privacy-preserving effort!

However, my understanding is that Vision Pro can distinguish between looking at something and pointing at it (not pinch to click; literal pointing).

Is there any plan for Safari on visionOS to trigger hover events on literal pointing, as opposed to look / “click”)? This could unlock the cool interactions devs want while preserving sight-line privacy.

Show threadGreg KaplanJun 13, 2023
@jensimmons @shoptalkshow @chriscoyier @davatron5000 outside of the model element, are there any plans to allow current z axis transforms to influence the display in AR? For instance setting up a parallax background but instead of it being scroll driven it’s driven by the position of the users head. This would add depth to visual designs and allow for focus to forgoing elements.
Show threadMax Fenton (defunct)Jun 13, 2023
@jensimmons Thank you. A huge reason why I would get one of these and never ever ever get the facebook version.