Matt BlazeEvery time I have to solve a captcha I'm forced to confront unresolvable semiotic edge conditions. Is the post that supports a traffic light itself part of a traffic light? I just don't know. I am inadequate to log in.
Jernej Simončič �@mattblaze I intentionally click random stuff in captcha.
Ben Rosengart@mattblaze I was asked to confirm a friend’s identity for their UK passport application and I was like, I don’t have any degree in philosophy … ?
@fivetonsflax "Please wait while we confirm your identity"
Good luck, I've been working on that my whole life.
jonsinger@mattblaze i am right with you.
Cassandrich@mattblaze Psst. Spoiler. It's a game to see how much wrongness and chaos you cam get away with to sabotage the training data. Ambiguities like this are your friend.
Farce Majeure@dalias @mattblaze yeah, I've come to the conclusion, within my own understanding of moral behavior and whatnot, that anything that looks *remotely* like a bicycle is clearly a traffic signal.
ArneBab@dalias I usually add a click to a wrong tile at random … I wonder whether there’s someone somewhere with the sorry task to identify all those people whose input sometimes breaks the model and filter them out.
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Sam Thurston 
@samthurston and the crowd has the wisdom to add errors to prevent overreaching misuse of their work ;-) @dalias @mattblaze
Soy@mattblaze I had a 'point out all animals' captcha. And that made me wonder, obviously those AI generated monstrosities are not animals. But those monsters fit better than the other noneuclidean shapes the captcha was offering me. So what should I do? (I picked the AInimals and was let in, and probably messed up some AI training set somewhere a little bit).
Rufus J. Cooter@Soyweiser @mattblaze Ugh, got that one yesterday - one of the pix was of a roast chicken. My guess was that most of the other captcha solvers would say, no, that's no longer an animal, it's food now. Captcha let me in, so I guess so?
@RufusJCooter @Soyweiser @mattblaze These captchas will let you pass as long as you correctly match some squares.
Mike Hucka@mattblaze Same, same.
Stu Duerson, machina exo deusOne must also be concerned with the ontological implications. Is a light a light, if it is not on?
Are you you, if you cannot confirm it by logging on?
@skydog @mattblaze the paralyzing anxiety of learning that you're a robot because you can't log in to a shopping website.
"You see a tortoise lying on its back..."
Ron DeSantis's BDE@DoesntExist @skydog @mattblaze you know what a turtle is?
Same thing.
@DoesntExist @samthurston @mattblaze
Turtles are omnivorous, whereas tortoises are vegetarian. You can tell the difference by what they order on their pizza.
@mattblaze The one that bugs me the most is when you have to select all the squares w/ a "motorcycle", and it's a picture of a Vespa, and I'm like, that's not a motorcycle, robot, try harder.
Colorblind Cowboy@RufusJCooter @mattblaze Unless it’s a 250 or 300. Legally it is then a motorcycle, at least in California. What do you do? 🤷🏻♀️
Draken BlackKnight@mattblaze Making people think they're crazy is called "gaslighting" and it's a dick move.
Captchas are trying to make us think we're robots. It's called "Bladerunning" and it's a Philip K. Dick move.
James Edwards@drakenblackknight @mattblaze CAPTCHAs have several major conceptual problems:
- they're not really Turing tests
- the Turing test is wrong anyway
- it's impossible to make them accessible
curtosis@mattblaze *Nods in professional ontologist*
@curtosis The more you know, the harder it is.
Ryan Singel@mattblaze
Is bicycle icon in a bike lane a bike?
They are paralyzing
@ryansingel And what about the shadow cast by a bike? And are ebikes bikes? Mopeds? Tricycles?
Jeffrey Vagle
Steve Bellovin
lorddimwit is now @@SteveBellovin @mattblaze @ryansingel @jvagle
One door only tells the truth, and the other tells only lies. You may ask one question!
antipode77@mattblaze @ryansingel @jvagle
Do not use this door for its intended purpose.
Why choose a door, it should have been a wall.
@mattblaze @ryansingel This is why I don't do surveys—I always want to answer C⅔ or B’ or some such.
@mattblaze @ryansingel how much of a bike must an image contain for that image to be "with bikes"
CrazyMyra
axel.
DeeAnn Little@mattblaze this one had me stuck for a bit because I couldn't tell which way it wanted to be.
twoprops@mattblaze When thus confronted, I cannot help thinking "A robot would know this."
Dennis Faucher 
@mattblaze That's OK. You are teaching the robots that stop lights are optional.
Miakoda 
@mattblaze If there was just the post, would you stop at it?
If there was no post, and just a floating traffic light, would you stop at it?
Question solved.
If there was no post, and just a floating traffic light, would you stop at it?
Question solved.
@hellomiakoda @mattblaze Is it only a stop light if you would stop at it? What if the stop light is green? Have I been answering these wrong?
@samthurston @mattblaze
The assumption was you know how traffic lights work and I didn't need to spend the energy to say "when it's red".
I see I may have made incorrect assumptions about my audience.
To not make that mistake again, "when it's red" refers to the top, red circle being illuminated and not that the entire traffic light assembly is red color. This applies to the left hand circle when oriented horizontal. All of this is for US traffic lights.
The assumption was you know how traffic lights work and I didn't need to spend the energy to say "when it's red".
I see I may have made incorrect assumptions about my audience.
To not make that mistake again, "when it's red" refers to the top, red circle being illuminated and not that the entire traffic light assembly is red color. This applies to the left hand circle when oriented horizontal. All of this is for US traffic lights.
@hellomiakoda @mattblaze even when the green circle is illuminated the name of the object is a stop light. It's another word for traffic light. It doesn't necessarily mean light you will stop at.
Dave Clark@mattblaze "Find all squares with a motorcycle"
I fail to call a scooter a motorcycle and am no longer human.
Maggieci democracy enjoyer@mattblaze The proof you are human is all the angst you have about proving it.
@mattblaze I’m so glad I’m not the only one.
johnnysilverhand@mattblaze only robots don't know the answer.
Den of Earth
Bob Horowitz@mattblaze Every time I am forced to solve a Capcha, I'm afraid it will reveal my eyesight is failing or I have the dementia. For old people, it's frightening.
miketcope@mattblaze is the shadow part of the object? Is a bridge a metaphor?
Tony Diep (He/Him)...slowly the AI wore down the humans with harder and harder Captchas until they had to admit the AI had won.
They could no longer prove they were not a robot.
Quiatimet@mattblaze Or this classic - select the boxes containing a tractor. IT’S A FECKIN COMBINE HARVESTER!!
Lou Katz@mattblaze It would be much easier if you were and AI.
BruceI've experimented with that. It seems that (usually) edge case frames are accepted whether they're checked or not.
Matthias Liffers@mattblaze It's your equivocation that makes you human.
Kevin Marks@mattblaze the idée fixe that quantizing the liminal will help train AI is opposed to the Roschian prototype theory that is our best model for human thought
Mostly Cloudy@mattblaze I did one recently that asked me to identify all of the images with animals, and one of the images was a roast chicken. I was very unsure of that one.
John Breen@mattblaze Wonderful phrase !
"forced to confront unresolvable semiotic edge conditions"
"forced to confront unresolvable semiotic edge conditions"