Chris Trottier
#Fediverse server software is going to need to work harder at interoperability.

Lots of #Mastodon users are excited by the #RedditMigration, want to participate, but don’t know how because it’s hard for Mastodon users to know when they’re interacting with a Lemmy post.

And the client perspective is worse because most #ActivityPub enabled clients are exclusively for Mastodon—further hiding other federated services.

But now that #Lemmy and #kbin are attracting Redditors, maybe more developers will wake up and realize the Fediverse is bigger than Mastodon—and therefore make apps with interoperability in mind.
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Show threadChris TrottierJun 12, 2023

There’s so much confusion about how Fediverse interoperability works that some people actually believe that Lemmy and /kbin are a different Fediverse.

No, this is not the case. You can interact with a Lemmy server from Mastodon. You can even leave comments on Lemmy posts.

Can you submit links from a Mastodon account? No, but that’s because Mastodon doesn’t support that functionality. If Mastodon supported group actors, like Lemmy does, this would be possible.

Mastodon groups are coming, though. Hopefully, they will have compatibility with Lemmy and kbin (and every other server software that supports group actors).

Show threadChris TrottierJun 12, 2023
I also know that @dansup is working on group functionality for #Pixelfed. How interoperable it will be with #Lemmy and #kbin, I don’t know. However, @dansup is usually on top of things and it wouldn’t surprise me if Lemmy users will soon be able to subscribe to Pixelfed groups.
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Show threadChris TrottierJun 12, 2023
For a long time, I’ve said that developer focus on Mastodon is myopic and will bite them in the butt eventually. And I am right.

Certain people have spent so long convincing newbies that the Fediverse is “Mastodon” that some Mastodon users don’t know what to make of the #RedditMigration. They think Redditors are coming to “Mastodon” and this confounds them because Mastodon is nothing like Reddit.

And then you show them Lemmy, and they go, “Wait a minute, this isn’t Mastodon! Why am I out of the loop?”

It’s because they weren’t told about the greater Fediverse!
Show threadChris TrottierJun 12, 2023
I hope with this #RedditMigration, Lemmy users won’t be convinced that the Fediverse is “Lemmy” because that will be just as myopic and ill-advised.

I hope none of them thinks Mastodon is “Lemmy”.

They should know about the greater Fediverse.

And whatever Lemmy clients get made should be designed with interoperability in mind.

We can’t have the same misinformation that occurred when the #TwitterMigration happened.
Show threadmaegulJun 13, 2023

@atomicpoet

A few things are preventing this from occurring, as far as I can tell.

1. The twitter migration already established the idea of the fediverse & mastodon in the mainstream

2. The decentralised nature of the network is more salient on lemmy as it's surfaced by the task of searching and subscribing to communities ("sub-lemmys")

3. #Lemmy and #kbin are going through this together, somewhat, so newcomers are exposed to diversity relatively early.

Show threadAdam DallianceJun 12, 2023

@atomicpoet @dansup @[email protected]

Those are the two to copy for groups function. Though Mastodon has apparently got groups function coming soon I don't think it'll be as refined as well thought out as those two.

Show threadTreevanJun 12, 2023

@atomicpoet You can submit links.

https://hachyderm.io/users/maegul/statuses/110483509521476095

https://mastodon.world/@paulschoe/110483930556035720

maegul (@[email protected])

Bingo! How to post to Lemmy from Mastodon! @[email protected] Put the title of the post in the first line (or at least before any other IDs/users/groups). Then tag the lemmy community as though they are an account. Then tag other people at the end if you want them included. @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

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Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Jun 12, 2023
@atomicpoet there are ALOT of lemmy to microblogging issues to iron out right now and its compounding daily. I wonder if there are any devs trying to focus *just* on the interaction between the edges of those two nodes of the fedi right now
Show threadBjörnJun 12, 2023
@atomicpoet I think some clients might support different views of communication.
For example if use something like Reddit I want a different ui then if I use Mastodon.
Show threadmaegulJun 12, 2023
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Relevant thread from @kissane: https://mstdn.social/@kissane/110515239256763407

Also see this reply and small thread from @evan on the ActivityPub server-client spec: https://cosocial.ca/@evan/110521184070320910
Erin Kissane (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image The strangest thing to me about our social tools and networks is how super-limited their feature-sets and philosophies have been in human terms. It feels like designing a house entirely around the best use of new light-switch technology. How can we reinvent the bathmat??? It's weird. https://erinkissane.com/all-this-unmobilized-love

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