censored for “transphobia”@rolandwasheeeere That cheeky WSJ headline was non-serious clickbait. The article did not actually suggest ppl skip breakfast. It mentioned #egg prices jumped 8.5%. I’m not bothered when non-vegan food prices jump. That’s a good thing if it helps steer people away from animal exploitation.
Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs@koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere so you're cheering on folks starving because it drives people veg. people being driven veg by higher prices and then being driven off their veg food by that going higher too was the irish great famine. ideologically-driven psychopathy
Wendy Lady@ellenor2000 @koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere I read that too and raised an eyebrow. Sometimes vegans are proto-vegan...aka, want to push their own ideologies on others without their consent. Almost as bad as religious fundamentalism. Ignoring the human exploitive cost to harvesting their veggies, of course. Then they come around and drop the act and just be vegan for their own selves and leave the rest of us alone. I dated a vegan who knew better. And I actually like vegan food! Just not that other manipulative bullshit.
Anyway, this article's notion just made me want to raise my own chickens...too bad I can't afford a house with a yard to do it. Just like the vegans want, I guess. 🫠
undead enby of the apocalypse@ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere @koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 at the risk of sounding a bit provocative, would you say the same about murder? “It’s fine if you choose not to murder random people but stop pushing your anti-murder views on us murderers, it’s our personal choice!”
What I’m saying is, there’s a reason why we oppose animal exploitation, and that’s because we believe nonhuman animals too deserve to not suffer and to be born, raised, mistreated, and killed at a young age just for the pleasure of humans. Seeing people do things that result in the exploitation of animals is very upsetting for this reason, and the reason why many of us outwardly adapt a “you do you” stance is because we’re exhausted and don’t want conflict, because even if we just do our thing in silence people just keep getting upset about it, because they don’t want to face their own feelings of guilt. I’m sorry but I think both rising food prices and animal exploitation are horrific and cause a shit ton of suffering, so just this once I’m gonna take the bait again and say that I oppose both of you. Consuming animal products if you have the option not to is definitely not a personal choice because it also affects the animals your products come from.
Chris A Dude@enby_of_the_apocalypse @ellenor2000 @[email protected] @koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 I think is a false analogy. Analogies would stay in the same realm. Cruelty is the realm. "I like kicking cats and dogs because it gives me pleasure ext" that might work as a analogy.
@koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 @chaosrsa @rolandwasheeeere @[email protected] the point of the analogy is about how it’s absurd to expect people to just stay quiet when others do horrible things and how absurd it is to paint people as bad people for wanting others to not do bad things.
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 @[email protected] for some reason people relate to abuse of pets more then a hypothetical world where murder is ok in my experience.
@chaosrsa @NerdRage42 @rolandwasheeeere @koherecoWatchdog perhaps, but I don’t see the point of nitpicking about the ideal analogy
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @NerdRage42 @[email protected] @koherecoWatchdog it's like the nut picking fallacy. Pick the most extreme unreasonable person in group X then point out the absurdity and claim it for the whole group. It doesn't move the conversation forward and nor is it productive.
It's not the same here but if one makes the analogy more relatable then the point might come through. And I agree that a analogy doesn't need to be perfect but it needs to be impactful.