censored for “transphobia”@rolandwasheeeere That cheeky WSJ headline was non-serious clickbait. The article did not actually suggest ppl skip breakfast. It mentioned #egg prices jumped 8.5%. I’m not bothered when non-vegan food prices jump. That’s a good thing if it helps steer people away from animal exploitation.
Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs@koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere so you're cheering on folks starving because it drives people veg. people being driven veg by higher prices and then being driven off their veg food by that going higher too was the irish great famine. ideologically-driven psychopathy
Wendy Lady@ellenor2000 @koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere I read that too and raised an eyebrow. Sometimes vegans are proto-vegan...aka, want to push their own ideologies on others without their consent. Almost as bad as religious fundamentalism. Ignoring the human exploitive cost to harvesting their veggies, of course. Then they come around and drop the act and just be vegan for their own selves and leave the rest of us alone. I dated a vegan who knew better. And I actually like vegan food! Just not that other manipulative bullshit.
Anyway, this article's notion just made me want to raise my own chickens...too bad I can't afford a house with a yard to do it. Just like the vegans want, I guess. 🫠
undead enby of the apocalypse@ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere @koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 at the risk of sounding a bit provocative, would you say the same about murder? “It’s fine if you choose not to murder random people but stop pushing your anti-murder views on us murderers, it’s our personal choice!”
What I’m saying is, there’s a reason why we oppose animal exploitation, and that’s because we believe nonhuman animals too deserve to not suffer and to be born, raised, mistreated, and killed at a young age just for the pleasure of humans. Seeing people do things that result in the exploitation of animals is very upsetting for this reason, and the reason why many of us outwardly adapt a “you do you” stance is because we’re exhausted and don’t want conflict, because even if we just do our thing in silence people just keep getting upset about it, because they don’t want to face their own feelings of guilt. I’m sorry but I think both rising food prices and animal exploitation are horrific and cause a shit ton of suffering, so just this once I’m gonna take the bait again and say that I oppose both of you. Consuming animal products if you have the option not to is definitely not a personal choice because it also affects the animals your products come from.
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere @koherecoWatchdog straaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwmannnñnnnnnnnn
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @ellenor2000 @NerdRage42 @rolandwasheeeere Indeed I had the same thought. And no, it was certainly not a strawman. You did not present a different argument as NerdRage42 & then attack it. You made an analogy. The only possible logical fallacy would be /false analogy/, but those are quite dicey b/c an emotional hot head rarely accepts or absorbs analogies by the opposition. The analogy was good enough.
@rolandwasheeeere @NerdRage42 @ellenor2000 @enby_of_the_apocalypse The analogy exposes the fact that NerdRage42 has a problem #activism. He expects ppl to keep their sense of ethics to themselves, keep their head down, & not advocate moral responsibility. I’m not vegan but ideologically I am aligned w/vegans. I take issue w/vegans who actually do keep their head down. It’s insufficient to just take personal responsibility w/out advocacy.
@koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere @ellenor2000 @enby_of_the_apocalypse I don't have a problem with activism. I have a problem with people narcissistically pushing an ideology on others as if their way is the only answer. Wanna be vegan, be vegan. But telling others to be vegan or starve because eggs are more expensive is wrong. And then morally judging when the person doesn't agree is preposterous.
@NerdRage42 @enby_of_the_apocalypse @ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere You’ve missed one of enby_of_the_apocalypse’s critical posts. Veganism is not an absolute diet. Veganism is about doing all you /can/. If you were locked in a room & only eggs & concrete were around you, you can absolutely eat the eggs /and you are still vegan/. Why? Because you would be doing /all you can/.. you would be /minimizing/ exploitation of animals.
@rolandwasheeeere @ellenor2000 @enby_of_the_apocalypse @NerdRage42 Veganism never imposes starvation. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand veganism.