censored for “transphobia”@rolandwasheeeere That cheeky WSJ headline was non-serious clickbait. The article did not actually suggest ppl skip breakfast. It mentioned #egg prices jumped 8.5%. I’m not bothered when non-vegan food prices jump. That’s a good thing if it helps steer people away from animal exploitation.
Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs@koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere so you're cheering on folks starving because it drives people veg. people being driven veg by higher prices and then being driven off their veg food by that going higher too was the irish great famine. ideologically-driven psychopathy
Wendy Lady@ellenor2000 @koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere I read that too and raised an eyebrow. Sometimes vegans are proto-vegan...aka, want to push their own ideologies on others without their consent. Almost as bad as religious fundamentalism. Ignoring the human exploitive cost to harvesting their veggies, of course. Then they come around and drop the act and just be vegan for their own selves and leave the rest of us alone. I dated a vegan who knew better. And I actually like vegan food! Just not that other manipulative bullshit.
Anyway, this article's notion just made me want to raise my own chickens...too bad I can't afford a house with a yard to do it. Just like the vegans want, I guess. 🫠
undead enby of the apocalypse@ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere @koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 at the risk of sounding a bit provocative, would you say the same about murder? “It’s fine if you choose not to murder random people but stop pushing your anti-murder views on us murderers, it’s our personal choice!”
What I’m saying is, there’s a reason why we oppose animal exploitation, and that’s because we believe nonhuman animals too deserve to not suffer and to be born, raised, mistreated, and killed at a young age just for the pleasure of humans. Seeing people do things that result in the exploitation of animals is very upsetting for this reason, and the reason why many of us outwardly adapt a “you do you” stance is because we’re exhausted and don’t want conflict, because even if we just do our thing in silence people just keep getting upset about it, because they don’t want to face their own feelings of guilt. I’m sorry but I think both rising food prices and animal exploitation are horrific and cause a shit ton of suffering, so just this once I’m gonna take the bait again and say that I oppose both of you. Consuming animal products if you have the option not to is definitely not a personal choice because it also affects the animals your products come from.
@koherecoWatchdog @NerdRage42 @ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere and yes, some people can’t be plant based because of for example health reasons. But veganism is as far as possible and practical, and no one is saying those people need to stop eating animal products if it’s not possible for them to do. And yes, no ethical consumption under capitalism and stuff, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t some kinds of consumption that are especially unethical (and would be under any system), and we should reduce those as far as possible. And yes, plant farming too results in exploitation, but you know what your exploited animals eat? Plants. And far more for a far smaller amount of food than if you just ate plants.
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @koherecoWatchdog @ellenor2000 @rolandwasheeeere Yeah, I ain't reading all that.
Trust me, the moment I read your first sentence I knew what the rest was gunna be. I'm 44 years old and have heard every vegan non-argument for decades since the 90s. Not a single one sounds less hostile and the only thing I've ever seen work for eating less meat is "here's an option that's accessible and affordable to eat it if you want to."
Trust me. You're exhausting.
Fuckin' proto-vegans. I swear. When you develop your thought process a bit more you'll see what an ass you sound like now and laugh. Good luck on your journey.
@NerdRage42 @enby_of_the_apocalypse @koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere I can't feel the gears in my head because they're munged up now,
@ellenor2000 @enby_of_the_apocalypse @koherecoWatchdog @rolandwasheeeere we morally inferior robots shall surely never survive the coming apocalypse. What will we do!?