537: Worse Than All of Our Toilets
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Hopes for WWDC’s announcements, exit interviews for the outgoing OSes, and how a Virginia man destroyed a car and computer in a single weekend.

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Accidental Tech Podcast: 537: Worse Than All of Our Toilets

Three nerds discussing tech, Apple, programming, and loosely related matters.

@atpfm @siracusa @marcoarment @caseyliss SwiftUI isn’t responsible for what you dislike about System Settings.

By default, SwiftUI uses the AppKit widgets. You have to *opt in* to different styles, which System Settings has done.

And you can quibble about those styles, for sure. But this is about the designers, not the technology.

Difference between the screenshots below:

.formStyle(.grouped)
.toggleStyle(.switch)

Otherwise it’s the same code in both cases.

@clarko Not just different styles, but *new* styles, strongly suggesting that they are the path forward for macOS (just as SwiftUI is the API path forward).

@siracusa Sure, but I buy the design rationale offered by CFed at @gruber’s WWDC show last year, even if I don’t much care for all the gray lines and trapped negative space.

I think the biggest challenge for Mac aficionados going forward is the reality that there just aren’t many designers around anymore who’ve ever designed Mac apps, including the head of software design at Apple. A lot of the current generation of designers grew up with iPads.

@siracusa and IIRC there were a lot of complaints about the Mac App Store, News, Stocks, Music, Home, etc. Lots of recent-ish Mac apps whose design shortcomings were initially blamed on Catalyst, and then CFed again had to come out and say “no, we actually designed them this way”?

A lot of Mac apps nowadays do seem to just be glorified iPad apps. And on purpose.