Steve Fenton ➜May 26, 2023
The thing with #agile is that you get value faster, which folks often confuse with "delivering features faster". You get value faster by delivering features sooner. You deliver features sooner by working in smaller batches.
Show threadHolzerMay 26, 2023
@stevefenton
I have a different view on it. Imho, there are just two things you get sooner with #agile:
- feedback
- adaption in case of change.
Show threadBruno Baketarić

@holzer @stevefenton Not entirely true.

If you shorten Cycle Times, you get value sooner, Feedback earlier, can adapt to change, etc.

That just doesn't necessarily mean, you raise throughput.

May 28, 2023 at 1:09pmTusky
Show threadSteve Fenton ➜May 29, 2023

@bbak @holzer The crucial question is throughput of what?

Features? not necessarily... you might pivot by doubling down on a feature, so you develop fewer features overall, potentially spending more time on them (or the reverse if you find a better path).

Value? Certainly. We can all agree that the idea of changing direction is to stay where the value is.

As for cycle times. They are useful, like a thermometer, but batch size is where I'd focus.

Value "faster" refers to the economic effects.

Show threadBruno BaketarićMay 29, 2023

@stevefenton @holzer Value, yes, in theory.

But value can only be determined AFTER something was delivered.

Hence preserving optionality is key: Ability to deliver lots of small'ish things with rather short Cycle Time.

Show threadSteve Fenton ➜May 29, 2023
@bbak @holzer It sounds like you disagree with something, but I can't tell what :)
Show threadBruno BaketarićMay 29, 2023
@stevefenton @holzer I disagree with that 'prioritising by value', 'do the valuable stuff first' line of thought, because value can be assessed in retrospect only.
Show threadSteve Fenton ➜May 29, 2023
@bbak @holzer I don't think anyone mentioned prioritization (of any kind) - not even between the lines.
Show threadBruno BaketarićMay 29, 2023
@stevefenton @holzer But assessing, estimating value.
Show threadSteve Fenton ➜May 29, 2023
@bbak @holzer I think we are crossing wires, as that's definitely not my point... my point is about sooner vs faster. You don't need to predict value - you find it with small batches (which should give you short cycle times). I feel we agree on all this stuff, and also on the stuff you bring up :)
Show threadBruno BaketarićMay 29, 2023

@stevefenton @holzer I think you started this with asking 'Throughput of what?'

But nevermind. Indeed, no need to dig deeper.