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Donald ClarkCough @pluralistic #enshittification example HP #hewlettpackard printer
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Phil Stevens 
@dsc @pluralistic If it asks for your CC number then you don't own it.
Bryan D. Thomas@dsc @pluralistic Lexmark is also offering a subscription model, but no word on what happens if the credit card expires as in this case.
LeftyLabourTechToronto@dsc @pluralistic I have an old 1996 vintage HP Laserjet network office printer along with some spare ink cartridges on my home network I rescued this stuff from becoming e-waste and it still talks to Linux via the HPLIP driver. I'm keeping it until it dies or I can no longer find cartridges for it.
@dsc @pluralistic It's a 600dpi black ink laser. I never print in colour, and so "good enough" and besides it was free. :) Any Linux box will find it on the home network in two minutes! Windows no longer talks to it. Android won't either. Not sure about anything in the Apple world but probably not.
Mike Ferdinando@dsc @pluralistic There is really no reason anyone should buy an HP printer these days. They've been fully enshittified. I switched to a Canon inkjet printer that uses ink tanks rather than cartridges.
Sharkie@dsc @pluralistic Randomly interesting to me: HP was one of the first companies to do this sort of thing. There was a time, long ago, when you would purchase large HP-UX boxes (pre-Superdome) that would have hardware inside that was "unlicensed," and thus disabled. To use that "hardware feature," you'd have to pay a fee (and sometimes a rolling subscription!). They did the same with their software.
Nick Barnes@sekka @dsc @pluralistic IBM were doing this in the 1960s. Possibly the 1950s. Mainframes would be upgraded to the “large memory” model by a service engineer coming out and *cutting a link on a board*. In exchange for a few $100k down and another $5k/month on the service contract.
Mark Lenahan@nickbarnes @sekka @dsc @pluralistic We called it the "magic screwdriver", and wasn't (if I recall correctly) just about memory, the MVS system 370s/380s could be purchased with different CPU speeds, but actually the CPU limit was managed in software which an IBM engineer could change if you "upgraded". There were even processes running on MVS called "SOAK".
@nickbarnes @sekka @dsc @pluralistic come to think of it that might have been Amdahl. I've only got memories of the stories the operators told junior programmers in 1989 to go on. (I'm not a reliable source.)
Marco van Burgsteden 🍋@MarkLenahan @nickbarnes @sekka @dsc @pluralistic like the tsr's that I had to use on my dad's 286 when I played first generation PC games that just worked on the processor cycle to slow 'em down.
Mike Spooner@nickbarnes @sekka @dsc @pluralistic Very similar to some ICL S39 series mainframe 'upgrades' in the 1980s.
Theodrake@nickbarnes @sekka @dsc @pluralistic if i recall correctly they sold a 150 and 300 cps printers. The 150 could be upgraded. Engineer came out and snipped a solder and now 300.
Bob Thomson@pluralistic @dsc @sekka Sun did it too as ‘capacity on demand’ https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19095-01/sfe6900.srvr/819-5088-10/cod.html
@bobthomson70 @pluralistic @dsc Sun was my bag, from the IPC days onward. (I still own an old 670MP :) They were a bit less gross about it, I felt, but ... it's all a matter of perspective. Storage also has been doing this since at least the era of SANs. (And don't even get me started on EMC)
@pluralistic @sekka @dsc indeed. Paid my bills from the mid 90s to 2010 or so working Solaris abs SANs :)
@bobthomson70 @pluralistic @dsc Same here! ^_^ Although I have to acknowledge Linux in there, too. (HPUX, AIX, Irix, FreeBSD, digital unix, even SCO were also-rans) I used my time in tech to keep my aviation bills paid until I was finally able to transition to flying full-time in 2013. That said, I still do tech on the side.
Don't call me crusty—dragons don't get old, we just get bigger. ;p
@pluralistic @dsc @sekka same aye, all those *NIXes and Oracle DBA at times too, and last decade or so all linux and last most of the decade VMs, Docker and now k8s and all cloud the past 5. These days it’s all YAML wrangling. As a contractor you have to keep up with what your market wants really.
@sekka Interestingly, an old work pal of mine who does DBA often talks of looking into becoming a pilot. An expensive and difficult business, well done achieving that!
NomiChirps@sekka
a lot of industrial supplier type companies like to do this. Rigol oscilloscopes lock you out of the higher sample rates and features like SPI decoding. Haas does this with their CNC controllers. it makes me sad.
at least Rigol has continued to neglect fixing the security flaws in their option code algorithm, so it's a "good" choice for hobbyists ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
David Herrold@dsc @pluralistic The only reasonable solution: https://youtu.be/N9wsjroVlu8 #officespace #printerscene
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Tucker Teague
Bharat@tuckerteague @dsc @pluralistic HP should pay the rent for putting printer in users home if they think printer is their property
norskimposter@dsc @pluralistic that’s some depressing shit
Mihugo@dsc @pluralistic you have the name wrong. It isn't a printer. It is an lnk vending machine.
MuldoonicusThere you go. Seriously, and Microsoft wants 100 bucks a year to run a program they built 20 years ago and offered for free for 18 of those years?
ermagister@dsc @pluralistic i'm choosing the new home pointer, thanks for the info, I will avoid HP
🇳𝗮ꜟ𝖼𝘩I got a Brother colour laser printer about 5 years ago, and it's still belting out perfect prints from its 3rd set of cheap after market toner. It doesn't dry out, and will start printing instantly after a month of sitting idle. It cost more than an inkjet, but not massively so, and it's saved me £££s
CuriousMatter@Naich @dsc @pluralistic Same, except mine is from Xerox. Anything I want "photo realistic" (very little) I send to the local pharmacy, and it's printed by the time I get there.
I already have cats, why have an inkjet printer?
Roderick@CuriousMatter rejects all but a single, hugely expensive brand of food.
DNAvinci@CuriousMatter
Cool I less you want to print before 9 AM, like e.g a passport photo before a long drive to the consulate.
Apparently most of these units are remote controlled and can only be booted after 9am, for some unknowable reason
@Naich @dsc @pluralistic @cstross
Cool I less you want to print before 9 AM, like e.g a passport photo before a long drive to the consulate.
Apparently most of these units are remote controlled and can only be booted after 9am, for some unknowable reason
@Naich @dsc @pluralistic @cstross
wakejagr@CuriousMatter @Naich @dsc @pluralistic
. . . same here, including the cat, but not including the brand (I have a Samsung).
Excellent alt text, BTW.
LisPi@CuriousMatter @Naich @dsc @pluralistic The main benefit I could see is privacy.
I have no doubt that what you've printed is kept by the company and possibly resold. It's definitely data-mined anyway.
I have thought about getting a color laser printer. Right now, I have a b/w laser printer. It is reliable and inexpensive to keep in ink. I have to use the local print place for anything in color.
The Actual BrianThis is the way to go.
I have a 10 year old Canon and it's still perfect. Scans, prints, I have replaced one cartridge and I'm getting close to replacing another.
The last time I bought an inkjet, I noticed that a set of ink cartridges costs as much as a new, low end printer.
That's how shitty they are.
You're paying for the ink and that's it!
Colin Davey@dsc @pluralistic I produce printed programmes for my local football club. My chairman bought an HP edge -to-edge printer and all was well for months -- until we let a software "upgrade" in through the door and it suddenly bricked all the non-HP "compatible" cartridges , wasting dozens of pounds, and would clearly only accept HP ink thereafter. They are 3 times the price, and it turned out cheaper to send my PDFs to the local print shop. Fuck you HP.
eons Luna (Eonity)@dsc @pluralistic
lol HP
lol printers
When two already bad things on their own come together, this is the result.
RalphieboyThis is why I did not sign up to the automatic replacement plan in the first place.
random thoughts@dsc @pluralistic Brother does excellent laser printers for quite cheap. No subscription malarkey.
TorazChryx@dsc @pluralistic In short... buy a Brother laser printer. :)
xs4me2Maybe a cup of tea will help?
Von Xylofon@dsc @pluralistic This subscription model has the worst from both the HW-as-a-service world and the ownership world.
StuInNorway@dsc @pluralistic Amazing how many people signed up to these "print as a service" with a fixed monthly fee systems without actually reading the terms about when you leave. You may have ink there, but it's not "your" ink, it's HPs ink. If one of my customers cancels their service contract on a copier, which includes toner deliveries, we can, and often do, go and collect any excess stocks of toner they have, as it's our toner not theirs.
Mayor of Nerdocrumbesia 🏡We're going to have to open-source everything soon - printers, TVs, cars, can openers....
Martijn VosYou should never, ever buy anything from HP. They suck as a company policy. And I never have, and yet my Samsung printer is now supported by HP instead. I feel betrayed.
Aidan@dsc @pluralistic blimey! My current printer is a continuous ink tank model. I was so annoyed by the plastic waste of ink cartridges I paid the $200 premium to rid myself of them. At the time of purchase I figured the difference in price represented what the company expected to extort from me over the next 5 years.
I think I was ahead with a year.
majinnaibu@dsc @pluralistic Never buy inkjet. Never buy hp.
@dsc @pluralistic this is why, even tho I’m compiling research on printers that would suit my needs bc mine needs replacing, and boy is there plenty of HP on the list… I’m frankly mentally writing off every #hpprinter bc FUCK that model ✌️
R A B S Equality For All@dsc @pluralistic I have ALWAYS loathed HP since my first PC purchased in 1992 when the motherboard blew after less than 2 years & ONLY HP products could be used to repair it, to the tune of $400 🤦♀️