Roni Rolle Laukkarinen

If Facebook and Instagram were to join the Fediverse and you could follow users from that world from your instance, would you do it?

Boosts appreciated. I'd like to know the current consensus of the Fediverse.

#Meta #Facebook #Instagram #SocialMedia #Fediverse

Yes
43.1%
No
29.4%
I'd block them all / Fediblock
27.5%
Poll ended at .
May 21, 2023 at 10:48amWeb
Show threadThat Frisian Girl-ishMay 21, 2023
@rolle We know what Meta does, and until they don't clean house, we really don't need to wait to see them doing it again.
Show threadBob ThomsonMay 21, 2023
@rolle Probably as it would make it easy for me to close my FB. Though these days, the most useful thing about it is the groups tbh.
Show threadsortiusMay 21, 2023
@rolle hahaha, fuck no, I don't want my family following me here
Show threadSteveMay 21, 2023
@sortius @rolle I’ve been off Facebook and their properties for a decade, I’m absolutely blocking their entire instances
Show threadRoni Rolle LaukkarinenMay 21, 2023
@lilstevie @sortius Same. 🤜 🤛
Show threadJan Erik GulliksenMay 21, 2023
@lilstevie @sortius @rolle maybe we can have a one way solution. We can follow FB but they need over approval or something. Or like we can choose to publish to FB'ers or not 
Show threadpmromanMay 21, 2023
@lilstevie @sortius @rolle Yep, same here.
Show threadEsme CiredutempsMay 21, 2023
@sortius @rolle
I was looking for good points. Thanks
Show threadEric Redegeld💻🏎️☀️🙋💖May 21, 2023
@rolle before blocking, want to know how this works. Indeed again panic thought off zuckerberg
Show threadRoni Rolle LaukkarinenMay 21, 2023
@redegelde History has shown us it will work out like this: They will try to rip all the data they can get.
Show threadEric Redegeld💻🏎️☀️🙋💖May 21, 2023
@rolle yesterday give presentation over Mastodon someone said, now Mastodon got all my data ;-)
Show threadmeMay 22, 2023
@redegelde @rolle
How did you respond Eric?
Show threadEric Redegeld💻🏎️☀️🙋💖May 22, 2023
@me @rolle well it was clear that this user was anti social. No account on everything. I told him to be wise what you want to share. And on different thing. On fediverse your are in control
Show threadmeMay 22, 2023
@redegelde @rolle
Ah thats .... one way to avoid problems ... 🤣
And missing out on possibilities as well.
Show threadDanielMay 21, 2023
@rolle @redegelde But what data is there, that they can't already get by scraping public stuff? The only thing I can think of are private messages to their instance.
Show threadEric Redegeld💻🏎️☀️🙋💖May 21, 2023
@daniel @rolle only thing ik can think about is reading user post and target them from bot with commercial or else
Show thread✨🏳️‍⚧️Timelordiroh 🇵🇸May 21, 2023
@rolle there's no one I'd really want to follow, but if I find someone of interest on the Facebook or Instagram instances, I'll give them a follow. I'm personally more interested in Tumblr joining at a still unknown date. I do have people there I'd like to follow.
Show threadArtseaMay 21, 2023
@rolle I wanted to vote no, but it recorded "yes."
Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023
@ArtseaGardener @rolle
Just tried it.
I voted "Fediblock"; it registered "Yes".
Show threadRoni Rolle LaukkarinenMay 21, 2023
@miguelpergamon Well that's strange. @ArtseaGardener
Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023
@rolle @ArtseaGardener
Screenshot
Show threadArtseaMay 21, 2023
@miguelpergamon @rolle
I assumed it was my fingers but wanted the survey to be accurate. Old teachers never stop worrying about assessments lol
Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023
@ArtseaGardener @rolle
My chubby-fingers are only chubby enough to have hit "No" accidentally, so I'm going to say that there's definitely some problem somewhere.
🤷
Show threadDanielMay 21, 2023
@miguelpergamon @rolle @ArtseaGardener The color isn't showing your vote. It's just showing the highest voted answer.
Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023
@daniel @rolle @ArtseaGardener
I hope so. Doesn't it usually show a tick for the answer you've selected?
Show threadDanielMay 21, 2023
@miguelpergamon @rolle @ArtseaGardener I think the app handles it a bit different than the web interface.
Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023

@daniel @rolle @ArtseaGardener
Let me put a *sigh* there. 🤕

The web version of Mastodon threw me out on Thursday as I dont have a Mastodon account and I can only log in through my Kolektiva account.

I'll go see what it's doing now ...

Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023
@daniel @rolle @ArtseaGardener
Success! (?!?) 👍
Show threadArtseaMay 21, 2023

@miguelpergamon @daniel @rolle

Thank you! Nice interactions & I walk away learning something. That's a good day on the interwebs. Time to go outside!

Show threadquangobaudMay 21, 2023
@ArtseaGardener @daniel @rolle 👍😎
Show threadGATEKEEPERMay 21, 2023
@rolle
We don't need advertising
Show threadAriaflameMay 21, 2023
@rolle Just because I'm not using either now, so I can't think who I would follow.
Show threadCodeByJeffMay 21, 2023

@rolle how is this actually working, technically?

what does "follow a FB user from Mastodon" mean?

if it is just import their feed into mine, like calling an api, I can't see why that would be a problem

Show threadFreeMay 21, 2023
@codebyjeff @rolle Mastodon is actually built on the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that anything that uses that same protocol, like for example Calckey (what I'm on now), can speak with Mastodon users

There's other platforms like Pixelfed, Akkoma, Friendica, and soon Tumblr
Show threadCodeByJeffMay 21, 2023

@freeplay @rolle Thanks!

Yes, I understand that bit. What I'm not clear on is the comments in this thread about "Social Media X controlling what I see"

It makes it sound like they think there would be some sort of push mechanism from them *into* your feed, rather than you just pulling in feeds you like to follow

That doesn't make sense to me, nor that having these companies in the Fediverse could do anything "bad" to you

Show threadFulana von Tal 🇵🇷🇩🇪May 21, 2023
@rolle yes, but only surgically precise selected content.
Show threadAndré van SchoubroeckMay 21, 2023

@rolle Let's just hope Instagram doesn't pull a Google Talk.

Google Talk used to be able to communicate with any XMPP server... and then they pulled out.

Show threadMatthieuMay 21, 2023
@rolle I have little to no interest in their local/federated feed. But yes I would follow anyone interesting and my friends who refused to move.

Basically everything on the fediverse is public anyway. If you want privacy, you should pivot to jabber, signal, revolt, or element.

The important point about the fedi is less the privacy and more the lack of algorithm manipulation, the moderation, the freedom to migrate your account, the web of consent, etc.
Show threadcensored for “transphobia”May 26, 2023

@matthieu_xyz
There’s still a privacy issue because if you federate w/a privacy abuser, you contribute to the data stockpile (read: profits) of that abuser. It’s not that Meta can see the fedi data (that’s the case anyway), but participating in a network w/the abuser facilitates the /creation/ of data on their assets that would not otherwise occur. Your conversation w/a Meta pawn helps Meta collect more data associated to their pawns. Like feeding an alcoholic’s codependency.

@rolle

Show threadMatthieuMay 26, 2023
@koherecoWatchdog

I already have an instagram account. All of my friends have one. I still use it because that's the only way to stay in touch.

Now what's the lesser evil between contributing to meta on instagram where I signed up and accepted their terms and services VS contributing to meta by federating from a place where all my messages are public but copyrighted until proven otherwise.
Show threadcensored for “transphobia”May 27, 2023
@matthieu_xyz That question is only simple if you establish your own 1 person instance just for IG. If you want to pollute a more public community fedi instance, then the answer is more complex as many people then inadvertently feed the adversary & become needlessly compromised in many ways.
Show threadcensored for “transphobia”May 27, 2023
@matthieu_xyz And luckily we are not limited to those two options anyway b/c there is a 3rd way to stay in touch: your friends join the fedi. It is not you who has the responsibility to join an oppressive network; it is the IG/FB pawns who have the responsibility to join the open free world to stay in touch w/you.
Show threadcensored for “transphobia”May 27, 2023
@matthieu_xyz One person can make a big difference here. I recently had to communicate w/a class of students. *All* of them were on #Facebook. I stood my ground. So they all had to step outside of Facebook to reach me.
Show threadNathan Lowell (he/him) 📎May 21, 2023

@rolle

Depends on who they are.

Some yes.
Some no.

Some I'd block.

Show threadLironMay 21, 2023
@rolle nope, no room for tech bros and their bullshit in the fediverse. If they wanna make individual accounts that's on them, but we're not letting them control the shape of the platform for sure, and I definitely don't consent to them having access to my fedi data
Show threadNasos Alaiskas May 21, 2023
@rolle I would had not follow them, but I would let them comment and discuss with them if they would like
Show threadLohan GunaweeraMay 21, 2023

@rolle YES, of course!

Such a change should be welcomed. I'll be delighted to connect with my friends who finally manage to free themselves from the walled gardens :)

Show threadMFierstMay 21, 2023
@rolle
I would absolutely not want them to present my content and monetizing it by combining it with adverts.
No no no.
I would definitely block the instance.
Show threadophiocephalic 🐍May 21, 2023
@rolle
Meta is cancer. It will destroy the fediverse and it's worrying to see how many here don't realize that. Fediblock with extreme prejudice
Show threadTristen GrantMay 21, 2023
@ophiocephalic What makes Meta worse than Google, Apple, Bytedance, etc?
Show threadophiocephalic 🐍May 21, 2023
@tristen
I didn't compare Meta to any of those others. This is a non-corporate community owned and operated network and I believe it should stay that way!
Show thread#WikiPartyMay 22, 2023
@ophiocephalic @rolle Human ingenuity will find a way... how about "halfway-house" instances where people whose primary instances have defederated corporate instances, can run secondary accounts to interact with members of corporate instances?
Show threadophiocephalic 🐍May 22, 2023
@michaelgraaf @rolle
All that trouble to engineer around Meta? Best would be if the fediverse responded the way it did to Gab, with a unified fediblock stand. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like we're going to get there this time
Show thread(((Klefstadmyr)))May 21, 2023
@rolle I'd simply love it. I can't think of a better future for SoMe.
Show threadAdrian DymorzMay 21, 2023
@rolle @pgs If only user generated content gets published, I would do it. Otherwise I would block them all.
Show threadJon HenshawMay 21, 2023

@rolle people use a wide spectrum of email providers but we can all email each other. If people want to be on a webmail platform that shows them ads, that’s their choice. I prefer to be on a platform that’s ad-free and gives me a significant amount of control, like @fastmail.

Either way, I want to have two-way communication with everyone. So if large social corps want to enter the Fediverse so we can all connect with each other, I’m all for it. And if they become bad actors, they get blocked.

Show threadGirlCrooshMay 21, 2023
@rolle Absolutely gonna block. I don’t need that Meta bs over here, too.
Show threadL. FalkenstromMay 21, 2023
@rolle
I would like to say maybe.
Show threadIPng NetworksMay 21, 2023
@lfalkens @rolle Follow as easy as block non-human and excessive users (for my subjective definition of "not cool").
Show threadPrimetimeMay 21, 2023
@rolle I'm primarily here to avoid those platforms. That's a hard block from me.