@codinghorror No. There are people with ADHD for whom Adderall means they can get out of bed and do their laundry.

@timbray @codinghorror 💯

@kencrandall @timbray also true of alcohol, don't make it right.

@codinghorror @kencrandall Um, do you have personal experience with the ADHD family of disorders, or people who suffer from them? Because I do, in my immediate and extended family, and your position is angering me. Would you like to drop by and explain to my teenager why the medicine that lets them get out of bed and do school is “not right”? (Not specifically Adderall, but a stimulant.)

@timbray @kencrandall I'm not saying "not right" but "abuse and harm profile is radically underestimated in a way that history is not going to look back kindly on"

@codinghorror @timbray @kencrandall mate, you're completely out of your depth here.

@mawhrin @timbray @kencrandall fair. let's revisit this in 10 years and see who history proves right, shall we?

@mawhrin @timbray @kencrandall I think I could make a very compelling case but I don't want to bother you. Let history tell us who was right. Simpler, cleaner, less fuss.

@codinghorror @mawhrin @kencrandall As long as you agree to hold your peace about prescriptions that are making my loved ones' lives possible for those years. Because at the moment you sound like an antivaxxer.

@timbray @mawhrin @kencrandall oh god no. I just want people to treat this stuff with the danger/respect that it deserves. Meth, Heroin, Alcohol. Those are the most dangerous by far.

@codinghorror @timbray @kencrandall i haven't seen gish gallop in use for a long time; mate, don't be this dishonest, it doesn't suit.

@mawhrin @timbray @kencrandall nah, there's just a bunch of detail I can't give you here in public. Email me if you want to go voice and I can be quite specific