Bruce Shaffer
Aral BalkanMachines aren’t taking over.
Corporations are taking over.
Worry about the right thing.
Quincy ⁂
Christian Pietsch (old acct.)This film makes the point that corporations are psychopaths. I find it very convincing.
Ben Curthoys@quincy @[email protected] @cstross iirc he calls them "slow ai".
paperclip maximisers the lot of them.
if half the effort spent worrying about "ai alignment" were spent on corporate alignment, and efforts to stop the corporations jailbreaking their boundaries by buying out politicians, we'd be in a much better place.
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛@quincy Yes, @cstross , @pluralistic and Ted Chiang have all referred to corporations as a form of slow AI that executes on a substrate of humans and paperwork. As far as I remember seeing, they each credit the other two with coming up with the analogy. 😊
ZZ Bottom
Vlad Masslove@aral can't agree more
@aral I agree! But also governments are taking over.
TJcervantes
Michael Hartle@aral If it is machines taking over, they will be owned by a corporation for sure, so it's corporations in any case.
bignoseRobots don't want to destroy your job. They don't want anything.
Bosses want to destroy your job. As they always have.
TaleWeaver@Taleweaver @bignose Quite on the contrary, the Luddites were the ones operating the machines. They didn’t have a problem with technology, they had a problem with the owners of the technology paying them starvation wages. They destroyed the machines to hurt the owners, not because they hated the machines.
Dietmar
Urzl
The Queen of Weltschmerz🏳️⚧️
xrvs
Arne Hanssen@aral Exactly!
xs4me2Exactly… its all about profit, thats it…
Without any consideration of socio-economical impact.
It is called capitalism.
@aral yes of course competition everywhere everyday
Brioche 🍔🏳️🌈Conceptually, there's nothing wrong with AI. Just like many other things, it's a tool which people can use to increase their productivity.
The Actual Brian@Brioche just like an AR-15!
Oh, wait... Why are all these school children dead...?
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What they're euphemistically calling AI is wildly misunderstood, often misused, and if it's increasing your productivity, your product is likely crap.
As a research pro project for scientists who understand what's happening, it's great.
For most people, it's like giving a toddler a box of matches.
I don't have a clue how you ended up comparing an AI program that could help do some things quicker to a lethal firearm. I've found legit use cases for AI, like helping me with programming. I suck at syntax, but using ChatGPT, I can help iron out my code better than previous methods.
This isn't just about level of skill. AI can do things much quicker than humans at times. There are useful situations for the technology.
You're making the same tired 1800's arguments against photography, and they were as wrong then as they are now.
@aral More specifically, the 1% wants totalitarianism that protects the 1%.
@aral Corporations are an immortal competing species that consumes humans both as dray animals and as food.
They are everything we were afraid of AI being but they're already here and well established.
Don Paschal@aral Are?? They already have.
And guess who OWNS the machines...?
IAG@aral corporations HAVE taken over
podo@aral Corporations are taking over with weaponized machines and weaponized communications. It might be a good idea to worry about BOTH ! #corporatocracy #ai + #technocolonialism + #mechanomorphism ... been researching #PaulMobbs great videos on these themes for upcoming CiTiZEN KINO events... http://www.fraw.org.uk/blog/video/index.shtml
Jake in the desert@aral corporations already HAVE taken over, they've been ruining crap since the 1980s or before
Allan WolfeCorporations are neither physical nor metaphysical phenomena. They are socioeconomic ploys — legally enacted game-playing — agreed upon only between overwhelmingly powerful socioeconomic individuals and by them imposed upon human society and its all unwitting members.
Buckminster Fuller
FallingKnife@aral Machines owned by corporations are taking over.
Dagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥@aral And behind all companies are greedy humans 🙁
hikewithrichard@aral That's why I dislike chatGPT so deeply. It's not about efficiency, it's about giving a legitimate excuse for immoral people to fire staff. The tech industry fired a quarter of a million people or more... That's a huge drop in jobs.
Michael Markman@aral are you sure about the tense? Corporations HAVE taken over, haven't they?
M. Fioretti@aral
indeed, much more conversation and awareness are needed on WHAT was the first "dangerous #AI", see:
https://stop.zona-m.net/2019/12/artificial-intelligence-has-been-with-us-for-centuries/
Harry Callahan@aral Rollerball
KristFist@aral scares me the most about corporations: completely run on ego competition and rather feudal #theGoodKings
Coles Street Pothole@aral This is so true. AI wouldn’t be scary if it was being used, say, to help people needing public assistance wade through all the paperwork, or help folks needing medical care get insurers to pay for it.
But it’s being used—by corporations—to steal intellectual property and labor to put their own employees out of work.
Ron Sheridan@aral
A situation that has ALWAYS been the case.
A situation that has ALWAYS been the case.
Ailes Grises 🏳️⚧️@aral It's Stallman's law: "Now that corporations dominate society and write the laws, each advance or change in technology is an opening for them to further restrict or mistreat its users."
British Tech Guru@aral Missed the boat a bit there, mate. Corporations run the place. They own the politicians and the elections. Think the war in Ukraine is about politics? Wrong... It's about arms sales to both sides.
CMDR R Mons, Graham Linux@aral When A.I. and Robots can do everything we can, then the rich will have no need for us and the 1% shall inherit the Earth.
Lost London@aral Yes, it used to be nationalisation, now corporatisation is the problem
Foeclan@aral If the past few years have taught us anything, it's that we can worry about more than one thing at a time.
Leisureguy@aral Corporations function much like machines, guided by a single goal (increase profit) and without conscience, ethics, or morality (just like a machine). And while individual humans may have profit as a goal, they have many other things that occupy them (family, social lives, mortality). Corporations are not distracted by such things and focus always on increasing profit, by whatever means necessary.
Sarah Hemming@aral becoming ‘leaner’ - i.e. cutting jobs.
Kelvin n0mql EN35ld@aral
Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that allows them to oppress more people, lay off more people, they will jump at the chance.
They will shoot themselves in the foot if it means they can dial up the income disparity a little bit.
Zach777@aral This post speaks to me. We need corporation alignment not ai alignment.
Corporations would gladly fire everyone and plunge them into poverty to get better profits. With or without ai.
Corporations would gladly fire everyone and plunge them into poverty to get better profits. With or without ai.
@aral
They are super-human organisms. There are others, but corporations are becoming an increasingly dominant lifeform.
They are super-human organisms. There are others, but corporations are becoming an increasingly dominant lifeform.
Toni Aittoniemi@aral Although I’m not sure the corporations are actually in control of the takeover their networks are in the process of. And why? Because humans are part of all of them.